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1 00:01:05 I wanna call it a nightmare.
2 00:01:10 It was
3 00:01:13 absolutely wrong from the beginning.
4 00:01:30 I personally thinkit was an experiment for him,
5 00:01:35 some sick game.
6 00:01:44 I thinkabout the "why" every single day.
7 00:02:22 Hi, Jacoba, this is Dr. Webber calling.
8 00:02:25 I have your lab results in.
9 00:02:27 So give me a call when you have a chance,and we can go over those.
10 00:02:29 -Thank you. Bye.
11 00:02:34 Hi, this message is for Jacoba Ballard.This is Jane over at Dr. Chan's office.
12 00:02:39 Give us a callback. We wantto reschedule you for an appointment.
13 00:02:42 Thanks so much.
14 00:03:05 Growing up, I felt different.
15 00:03:10 I'm this blonde-haired, blue-eyed person
16 00:03:12 in a family with dark hair
17 00:03:14 and, like, olive skin and dark eyes.
18 00:03:18 So, I kept asking my mom
19 00:03:21 if I was adopted.
20 00:03:26 I kept, like, reassuring my parents,
21 00:03:29 and I'm like, "It's fine if I am,you can tell me. It'll be okay."
22 00:03:36 Finally, my mom told me the truth.
23 00:03:42 So, I've known since the age of ten
24 00:03:45 that I was from donor sperm.
25 00:03:54 I believe it was 1979,
26 00:03:58 and鈥?I wanted a child so bad,
27 00:04:03 but my husband could not have children.
28 00:04:07 So I went to see Dr. Cline
29 00:04:10 for artificial insemination.
30 00:04:16 I was young.
31 00:04:18 I think, like, 20, 21.
32 00:04:22 He was professional.
33 00:04:24 Uh, we didn't really say a lot.
34 00:04:26 I mean, he just told usthat he would match us with a donor
35 00:04:30 that looked like my husband.
36 00:04:33 He was gonna use medical students,
37 00:04:35 their sperm.
38 00:04:37 And so, when I start ovulating,
39 00:04:39 I went in, they did the procedure鈥?40
40 00:04:54 She's my everything.
41 00:05:00 I love that child more than life itself.
42 00:05:20 I always hadthis longing for siblings.
43 00:05:25 I just wanted somebody that related to me,
44 00:05:28 that's, you know, my brother or sister,
45 00:05:31 and I just wanted to have that bond.
46 00:05:36 When I was around the age of 18,
47 00:05:38 you know, around, like, 1999,
48 00:05:40 there wasn't commercial DNA testing.
49 00:05:44 All I knewwas my mom went to Dr. Donald Cline,
50 00:05:50 and he was the go-to doctor.
51 00:05:55 My mom was told that
52 00:05:57 they used a medical residentfor donor sperm,
53 00:06:00 and they never usedthe medical resident or the donor,
54 00:06:04 say, more than three times.
55 00:06:07 So, since there was me,
56 00:06:08 I figured that I might haveone or two half-siblings.
57 00:06:12 So, I looked him up,and I called him at his office.
58 00:06:16 He actually answered the phone.
59 00:06:19 I wanted to know if he had a donor number
60 00:06:23 or my mom's medical records
61 00:06:25 to where I could havesome kind of identifying information.
62 00:06:29 He was very
63 00:06:31 straightforward, matter-of-fact,
64 00:06:34 um, no empathy.
65 00:06:36 But I remember asking him,
66 00:06:38 like, telling himI wanted to find half-siblings,
67 00:06:41 and he said thatI can't ever know that information.
68 00:06:44 My mother's records have been destroyed.
69 00:06:47 He wished me good luck,and that was it.
70 00:06:52 I just went on with life and, you know,
71 00:06:55 married, raised my children,and hoped that someday maybe
72 00:07:00 I would find a sibling or two.
73 00:07:14 Watching our friends' childrengrowing up around us
74 00:07:16 left us feeling isolated and desperate.
75 00:07:21 But as we found out, we were not alone.
76 00:07:24 One out of five couplesliving in the United States
77 00:07:27 experience infertility problems.
78 00:07:29 The physicians and staffat Indianapolis Infertility
79 00:07:33 can help you understand your particularinfertility problem more clearly.
80 00:07:37 Both Dr. Donald Clineand Dr. Robert Colver
81 00:07:39 are specialistsin the field of infertility
82 00:07:42 and have achieved excellent results
83 00:07:43 in diagnosing and treatingthousands of infertile couples.
84 00:07:48 Dr. Cline was the best-knowninfertility doctor in Indianapolis.
85 00:07:54 And I started working for him
86 00:07:56 in '81 to '94.
87 00:08:01 I worked 13 years.
88 00:08:03 I was partnered with Dr. Clinefrom 1987 to 1991, and I have to say,
89 00:08:08 my career wouldn't bewhat it has been over the last 35 years
90 00:08:11 if it hadn't been for Don Cline. So鈥?92
91 00:08:19 Before '85, for an insemination
92 00:08:23 or for a donor insemination,
93 00:08:24 fresh sperm was used.
94 00:08:27 And back then,you didn't have, like today,
95 00:08:30 you go on a website, 300 guys show up.
96 00:08:33 We had a notebook
97 00:08:36 so they could pickfrom what donor criteria they wanted.
98 00:08:42 The hospital was--It's just right across the street.
99 00:08:46 And I actually went to the hospitaland met some of the donors
100 00:08:49 because they were residents,and I knew 'em.
101 00:08:52 And they would pass me the specimen,
102 00:08:55 and I would take it back to the office.
103 00:08:57 It has to be kept warm, body temperature.
104 00:09:01 And so I transported the sample in my bra,
105 00:09:04 so the sperm was still viableby the time I got it over at the office.
106 00:09:10 It was a great field.It was really interesting.
107 00:09:13 We were putting tubes back togetherso people鈥?women could get pregnant.
108 00:09:18 And he hada terrific success rate at that.
109 00:09:22 We'd do laser surgery on tubes,
110 00:09:24 and that was a new thingthat Don did that other doctors didn't do.
111 00:09:28 For these couples, you have to have them
112 00:09:31 really think through this,talk through this, pray about it.
113 00:09:35 Really feel like you thought throughthis whole thing, because
114 00:09:38 once you do that donor insemination
115 00:09:40 and they get pregnant,that's their baby. Forever.
116 00:09:49 It was always very emotional
117 00:09:51 when one of your girlfriendswould call you and say she was pregnant
118 00:09:54 because there were several timesthat I'd get off the phone,
119 00:09:58 and I'd just crybecause I wanted a child so bad.
120 00:10:04 My husband and I had goneto various fertility doctors
121 00:10:07 trying to find鈥?my issue.
122 00:10:12 It was hard on me and my husband.
123 00:10:16 But I thought, "Okay. I've finally founda doctor that might be able to help us
124 00:10:21 because he was so well-known."
125 00:10:26 I was about 27.
126 00:10:28 I, uh鈥?My husband and Italked about having our own children.
127 00:10:34 My husband got tested,and he was infertile.
128 00:10:39 I was told, "The only personwho's doing live sperm donor insemination
129 00:10:44 is Dr. Don Cline."
130 00:10:46 "He's the best of the best, so go to him."
131 00:10:52 By that point,it'd been two and a half years
132 00:10:55 of having my periodwhen I wanted to really conceive,
133 00:10:59 taking my temperature, and鈥?for every month and every day.
134 00:11:04 So it was the first time I felt--It was hopeful.
135 00:11:12 I carried my husband's spermin a little container.
136 00:11:17 Well, we didn't have much timebecause you had to have it there,
137 00:11:20 I think, within an hour.
138 00:11:23 And then there was this room
139 00:11:26 that I would go intofor the artificial insemination,
140 00:11:29 right then with the sperm,
141 00:11:32 with some kind of long, like, um鈥?144
142 00:11:43 He'd walk me back to the exam room,
143 00:11:45 I'm lying down,and my knees are up in the air.
144 00:11:49 He said, "Okay. I'm gonna, uh,put this鈥?this specimen in you."
145 00:11:57 So I wait on the tablefor about 20 minutes.
146 00:12:01 I was thinking actually positive thoughts.
147 00:12:04 I was thinking,
148 00:12:06 "Wow. I might be able to have a child."
149 00:12:16 When the doctor's office called me
150 00:12:19 and told me I was pregnant,
151 00:12:22 I鈥?I couldn't believe it.
152 00:12:27 We were just so happywhen I had her.
153 00:12:30 I even took Julie back into the officeand then showed her off to Dr. Cline.
154 00:12:40 I thought I had altitude sickness.
155 00:12:43 So I laid off a little bit of skiing,
156 00:12:46 and ate more crackers, and drank some tea,
157 00:12:48 and, um, never thinking I was pregnant.
158 00:12:54 I thought I was just late.
159 00:13:00 I was ecstatic.
160 00:13:04 I thought it was a gift at the time.
161 00:13:15 In 2014, you see 23andMe
162 00:13:19 on, like, every other commercial on TV.
163 00:13:24 I was 35,
164 00:13:26 and I told my husbandI was gonna take a DNA test
165 00:13:30 because I figured,at least, I had one or two siblings.
166 00:13:34 I felt like it was kind of a bonusif I did find the donor,
167 00:13:39 but that wasn't, like, my goal.
168 00:13:41 My goal was to find a sibling.
169 00:13:46 The fall of 2014,
170 00:13:50 I received my results.
171 00:13:57 I remember that day vividly.
172 00:14:02 It came back that I was related to
173 00:14:06 seven siblings.
174 00:14:09 It was actually immediate excitement, um,
175 00:14:14 with concern.
176 00:14:16 Finding outthat I had siblings was amazing,
177 00:14:20 but there's, you know, eight of us.
178 00:14:22 What鈥?what's going on here?
179 00:14:25 Because my mom was told
180 00:14:26 that they never used a donormore than three times.
181 00:14:32 Three times was the ideal.
182 00:14:35 We didn't want a large population
183 00:14:39 with all the same father.
184 00:14:41 There's the concern for consanguinity,
185 00:14:44 uh, having too many peoplein a certain geographic area
186 00:14:49 that could potentially be your brotheror your sister, and you didn't know it.
187 00:14:53 Because you could potentiallyhave a brother and sister marrying.
188 00:15:02 Hold up.
189 00:15:03 This doesn't make sense.
190 00:15:06 Obviously, you used someone's spermmore than three times.
191 00:15:12 And that's when we startedto do our own investigating.
192 00:15:19 Every weekend, we would call each other,
193 00:15:22 or we would plug names into Ancestryand work on a family tree.
194 00:15:27 We joked one day, trying to figure it out,
195 00:15:31 and we're like, "Wouldn't it be crazyif it was the doctor?"
196 00:15:35 But we disregarded it, and we're like,
197 00:15:37 "Probably not, but we'll go throughthis journey together."
198 00:15:40 "We'll help each other findwho our biological father is."
199 00:15:46 We were able to just focuson our paternal matches,
200 00:15:51 and we all matched a lady named Sylvia,
201 00:15:55 who was our second cousin,
202 00:15:58 and she was on 23andMe.
203 00:16:01 So, we had messaged her.
204 00:16:05 I asked her what surnameswas in her family tree,
205 00:16:10 and she gave us a whole list of names.
206 00:16:14 One of the namesthat popped up was Swinford.
207 00:16:17 Swinford isDonald Cline's mother's maiden name.
208 00:16:23 I said, "By any chance,
209 00:16:25 do you havethe name Cline in your family?"
210 00:16:30 She said, "Oh yes,I completely forgot. My cousin Don."
211 00:16:35 "He's a doctor."
212 00:16:38 Right then, my stomach dropped,
213 00:16:41 and I felt sick because she just confirmed
214 00:16:45 what I think we probably already knew,but we were hoping wasn't true.
215 00:16:51 Dr. Donald Cline
216 00:16:54 could be our biological father.
217 00:17:01 I was in shock.
218 00:17:05 There were so many emotions.
219 00:17:08 So many questions.
220 00:17:10 He lied about a donor being used.
221 00:17:15 Why did he do it?
222 00:17:18 And how long did he do it?
223 00:17:21 And how many siblings do we have?
224 00:17:25 I honestly didn't know who to go to.
225 00:17:27 I googled, like, "Where do you makea complaint against a doctor?"
226 00:17:33 That, in turn,led to me filing a complaint
227 00:17:37 with the Attorney General's officefor Indiana.
228 00:17:42 So, then I received a form backfrom the Attorney General's office
229 00:17:46 that was like,their generic messaging like,
230 00:17:49 "Hi. We've received your complaint,and it's gonna be investigated further,
231 00:17:53 and someone will be in touch."
232 00:17:57 We waited and waited.Nobody was returning my calls.
233 00:18:01 No questioning, nothingfrom the Attorney General's office.
234 00:18:08 I wanted answers.
235 00:18:09 So I reached outto every news outlet, big and small,
236 00:18:12 and nobody would pick up the story.
237 00:18:15 鈥nd I'm Angela Ganote.
238 00:18:17 Yeah. We're starting offon a chilly start today,
239 00:18:19 but it's gonna warm up and warm up fast.
240 00:18:21 I was watching TV one day,
241 00:18:23 and I was like鈥?鈥?Her!"
242 00:18:26 -"I forgot to send it to her."
243 00:18:29 In February of 2015,I logged onto Facebook,
244 00:18:32 and I had a message from Jacoba.
245 00:18:35 The message was in-depth,
246 00:18:37 saying that she believeda doctor in Indianapolis
247 00:18:40 had inseminated multiple womenwith his own sperm.
248 00:18:44 It was shocking,but it was also backed by proof.
249 00:18:49 Before Jacoba came to me,
250 00:18:51 she had reached outto Attorney General of our state,
251 00:18:55 the Attorney General of the United States.
252 00:18:57 She had reached outto national news organizations,
253 00:19:00 and she had gotten no response.
254 00:19:01 And I thought,"Why is no one listening, or at least
255 00:19:05 finding the truth?"
256 00:19:07 I walked into our news director's office,
257 00:19:09 and I said,"You guys are not gonna believe this."
258 00:19:15 I reached out to Dr. Clinein the very beginning.
259 00:19:19 He told me that he was not the father.
260 00:19:21 He told me that he only used spermfrom a doctor in training,
261 00:19:25 that there is no way possible
262 00:19:27 that the siblings had morethan three brothers or sisters.
263 00:19:31 I asked if he would liketo see the DNA evidence.
264 00:19:34 I asked him if he would liketo provide his own DNA
265 00:19:37 so that he could help them.
266 00:19:40 "If you're not the father,have a DNA test and prove to them."
267 00:19:43 And he wouldn't.
268 00:19:47 So when wefirst aired the first story,
269 00:19:51 I couldn't use his name,and that was, um, hard for me.
270 00:19:55 Sisters, born here in Indiana,uncover a family secret.
271 00:19:59 Their dad is not their biological father.
272 00:20:02 They are donor children,
273 00:20:03 the product of an anonymous manwho donated his sperm.
274 00:20:08 Since we didn't haveDonald Cline's DNA,
275 00:20:12 we couldn't really move forward
276 00:20:14 until we had him take a DNA test
277 00:20:17 to prove thathe was our biological father.
278 00:20:22 Like, we knew it in our gut,but we didn't have anybody at the state
279 00:20:26 that would get back with us, and
280 00:20:29 they weren't in any hurryto get a DNA sample from him.
281 00:20:35 So, one of my half-siblings
282 00:20:40 messaged allof Cline's children and grandchildren
283 00:20:43 that were over the age of 18.
284 00:20:45 Basically said,
285 00:20:47 "Our mothers went throughinfertility treatment."
286 00:20:52 "Did somebodyin your family donate sperm?"
287 00:21:02 It was probablya week or two later,
288 00:21:06 Cline's son messaged me.
289 00:21:11 So, I met with Doug and Donna,
290 00:21:14 which are two of Cline's children,with his wife, Audrey.
291 00:21:20 I chose to do it at my church
292 00:21:22 because I felt more comfortable.
293 00:21:26 I don't know these people,
294 00:21:28 and these are some big accusations.
295 00:21:33 They said they had talked to their dad,
296 00:21:35 and he did admitthat he was our biological father.
297 00:21:43 But Doug said that the only timethat Cline used his sperm
298 00:21:49 was when he didn't have access to a donor,
299 00:21:52 and as far as siblings go,
300 00:21:55 there was absolutely no more than ten.
301 00:22:13 I had seenthe news pop on one night鈥?
302 00:22:18 鈥hey are donor childrensearching for answers鈥?/i>
303 00:22:21 鈥nd I saw Jacoba on TV,
304 00:22:24 and my husband thoughtthat we looked a lot alike.
305 00:22:30 My husband's exact words were,
306 00:22:32 "I don't feel likethis is going to end well,
307 00:22:34 and I want you to be aware of that."
308 00:22:38 So I talked to my mom.
309 00:22:41 My daughter called me and said,
310 00:22:43 "Should I get tested?"聽And I said, "No."
311 00:22:47 'Cause I, at that point in time,
312 00:22:49 I thought it wasmy husband's sperm that he had used.
313 00:22:51 She said,
314 00:22:54 "You know, honey.This doesn't apply to you."
315 00:22:56 "This doesn't pertain to you at all.I know you're your dad and I's."
316 00:23:00 Um, but something in my gut,I just couldn't let it go.
317 00:23:05 So I notified Jacoba via Facebook.
318 00:23:08 She wasn't really sureif this would pertain to me at all,
319 00:23:12 'cause I was supposed to have beenfrom my father and not a donor.
320 00:23:16 So she said the best wayto do it is just take a test.
321 00:23:19 And once I took that test,
322 00:23:20 if we were related,her name would show up.
323 00:23:33 Hardest thing I've ever had to go through.
324 00:23:41 Go back to everythingthat you've known about yourself.
325 00:23:46 It just completelywashes away your identity.
326 00:23:52 And you really have no ideawho you are anymore.
327 00:23:58 We both cried on the phone,
328 00:24:01 and then I had to鈥?332
329 00:24:08 'cause I knewthat it was gonna devastate him.
330 00:24:11 I said, "Rememberwhen we went to Dr. Cline?"
331 00:24:15 And I said, "Unfortunately, um,
332 00:24:19 Dr. Cline didn't use your sperm.He used his own."
333 00:24:24 "So鈥?338
334 00:24:31 My husband started crying.
335 00:24:33 And he said that,and I'll never forget these words.
336 00:24:38 He says,"He's taken everything away from me."
337 00:24:43 And he did.
338 00:24:45 It's hard.
339 00:24:47 I mean, what did he dowith my dad's sperm?
340 00:24:49 He just threw it away like it was nothing?
341 00:24:54 I mean, it's just-- It's wrong.
342 00:25:07 After I met with Doug,
343 00:25:09 he had called me and said,
344 00:25:13 "I will do whatever it takesto get you the answers."
345 00:25:17 And I said, "We want to meet him."
346 00:25:19 "We have questions for him."
347 00:25:23 "I want him to look us in the eye."
348 00:25:25 "You at least owe us that much."
349 00:25:31 And so he set up a timefor myself and five other siblings
350 00:25:35 to be able to meet Cline.
351 00:25:45 It was almost likethe moment that his feet hit the floor,
352 00:25:48 you could hear his footsteps,
353 00:25:51 and you could hear his cane.
354 00:25:54 He was not showing emotion.
355 00:25:58 And on his hip,I could see the outline of a gun.
356 00:26:04 I think that it waspartially to intimidate us.
357 00:26:11 So he introduced himself,
358 00:26:13 and he went around the table,asking each one's name, age,
359 00:26:18 and what they did for a profession.
360 00:26:25 It was almost like he was ranking us.
361 00:26:28 Like, "Let me see
362 00:26:30 which one of my offspringmade it to the top."
363 00:26:35 I felt like we were being judged.
364 00:26:40 Then we asked about medical history
365 00:26:42 because some of us,we have autoimmune disorders and stuff.
366 00:26:48 He said that there was nothingthat we needed to worry about.
367 00:26:53 He had a piece of paper with him
368 00:26:56 that he brought scripture on.
369 00:26:58 Jeremiah 1:5.
370 00:27:01 I remember him looking at meand going, "Jacoba, this is for you."
371 00:27:05 Because he knewI was having a hard time with this,
372 00:27:07 and I'm like, "Put that shit away."
373 00:27:10 I said-- I did, I said,"Just put that shit away."
374 00:27:14 "You're not gonna use my Godto justify your actions."
375 00:27:19 One of my siblings did ask himwhy he used his own sperm.
376 00:27:24 And he said that he only did it
377 00:27:27 because he felt like the mothers
378 00:27:29 were just basically desperate for a child,
379 00:27:33 and he was doing it to help them.
380 00:27:37 Finally, he said that the absolute number,
381 00:27:40 there would not be more than 15 siblings.
382 00:27:51 It's just too fucked up.
383 00:28:00 I鈥?I just felt bad for my mother.
384 00:28:04 I mean鈥?390
385 00:28:08 a young womanjust wanting to have a family
386 00:28:11 like anyone else.
387 00:28:19 It's a sick individualthat puts themselves in that position
388 00:28:22 to be able to do that.
389 00:28:28 There are parts of me that wishthat I never had to deal with infertility.
390 00:28:39 I wish that walk on no one.
391 00:28:45 The way it workedfor me with Cline is, uh,
392 00:28:48 I would go to his office.
393 00:28:52 He was alwaysthe only one in the office,
394 00:28:55 whether I was coming inon a weekend or during the week,
395 00:28:58 during the midday, or late evening.
396 00:29:01 He was the only one that greeted mein his office, which was strange.
397 00:29:09 And now the truth is that,
398 00:29:11 as Cline was closing the door
399 00:29:13 and I'm undressingand putting my feet in the stirrups
400 00:29:16 getting ready for himto bring in the donor's sperm,
401 00:29:19 he was in the-- some other placein the office ejaculating,
402 00:29:24 and not only creating the erection,but he has to go in full force
403 00:29:28 in a sexual mannerto create that ejaculation.
404 00:29:32 To me, that has always remaineda very sad part to me,
405 00:29:36 and disgusting.
406 00:29:39 That he was placing then his semen
407 00:29:42 into some kind of syringe,
408 00:29:46 and then he's got to place that syringeat the base of my cervix.
409 00:29:53 The fact that he
410 00:29:55 was still in an endocrine high
411 00:29:58 from having the ejaculation
412 00:30:01 has no place in a medical setting.
413 00:30:08 When Matt's DNA test came back鈥?420
414 00:30:19 "I was raped 15 timesand didn't even know it."
415 00:30:27 This is unbelievable.
416 00:30:30 How the fuck did no one know?
417 00:30:32 I mean, just even the act of what he did
418 00:30:36 for so many years,
419 00:30:38 and to just get away with it
420 00:30:41 for decades, and no one knew anything.
421 00:30:46 No one in the office?
422 00:30:48 Come on.
423 00:30:50 Well, here's the thing.
424 00:30:53 There wasn't much trafficon that first floor
425 00:30:55 other thanwe'd come directly into our office.
426 00:30:57 Don could haveclearly collected a specimen,
427 00:31:01 and then he got it back,and no one would know.
428 00:31:04 They could-- The nursecould be in there for the insemination.
429 00:31:06 They wouldn't know if it wasa donor from the hospital or not.
430 00:31:12 Dr. Colver and I have discussed it,and we had no idea.
431 00:31:16 It just was never a thought,
432 00:31:19 because it was so totally opposite
433 00:31:23 from his normal behavior.
434 00:31:32 This was a personof a position of power.
435 00:31:35 He's known in our communityas a philanthropist.
436 00:31:37 He's known in our communityas an elder of the church.
437 00:31:42 He was always a doctor.
438 00:31:44 He was not gonna sit thereand chat with you.
439 00:31:47 It was all pretty much
440 00:31:51 doctor-person relationship.
441 00:31:54 Or a stern father figure,
442 00:31:57 if, you know,if you can relate better to that.
443 00:32:02 Mark was stationedat Grissom Air Force Base,
444 00:32:06 and so was Don,
445 00:32:07 and we were socially friendly.
446 00:32:11 I would say arrogant fits him,for some reason.
447 00:32:15 I mean, I don't knowexactly why I felt that way.
448 00:32:19 You鈥?you do because you werein study groups and so on.
449 00:32:23 Uh, he was鈥?he was okay.I mean, he obviously was a bright guy.
450 00:32:27 He thought he knew-- He did know a lot.
451 00:32:30 He always was confident.
452 00:32:32 He always was self-assured.
453 00:32:33 He wasn't-- I never saw him doubt
454 00:32:37 that what he was doing wasn't right.
455 00:32:42 If you knew something,and he knew something, he knew more.
456 00:32:46 That was his attitude.
457 00:32:49 He always belittledhow much I knew about child de--
458 00:32:54 You know, child development, even.
459 00:32:57 I mean, that was my area of specialty.
460 00:33:00 Uh, I鈥?I have a PhD in neurobiology,
461 00:33:05 and I'm also, um,an occupational therapist,
462 00:33:08 and I treated聽preemies.
463 00:33:12 But he knew more.
464 00:33:16 If you crossed him鈥?472
465 00:33:27 The first conversationsthat I had with Dr. Cline,
466 00:33:31 he told methat he was protected under HIPAA.
467 00:33:34 He told me that I could be suedor that Fox 59 could be sued.
468 00:33:40 He made it very clearthat I needed to be careful.
469 00:33:44 So, that's when Cline called me.
470 00:33:47 I was in shock.
471 00:33:48 I don't know what it was in me.
472 00:33:51 He called my home phone,and I recorded that conversation.
473 00:33:55 -Jacoba?-Yes.
474 00:33:57 Uh, this is Dr. Cline.
475 00:34:00 Uh, do you have timeto talk with me just a little bit?
476 00:34:03 -Yes.-Okay.
477 00:34:05 Um, I'm getting, uh,a real problem with, um,
478 00:34:11 uh, the television station, um, 59.
479 00:34:15 Mm-hmm.
480 00:34:17 Um, they are demanding,um, that I meet with them.
481 00:34:23 Uh, I can't do that.
482 00:34:25 Uh, it's not fair to me.It's not fair to you all.
483 00:34:30 Uh, they're鈥?they're trying to make a, um鈥?/i>
484 00:34:34 Oh鈥?/i>
485 00:34:36 They're鈥?they're trying to, um鈥?/i>
486 00:34:41 improve their ratings,
487 00:34:44 and, um, my wife and I,after 57 years of marriage鈥?/i>
488 00:34:50 Um, if鈥?if this comes out,
489 00:34:55 uh, our marriage will be over.
490 00:34:58 Um,
491 00:35:00 can you help?
492 00:35:02 I mean, no disrespect,
493 00:35:05 but I feel like what you're telling meis to keep my life a secret.
494 00:35:09 That I am not allowed to know who I am鈥?/i>
495 00:35:16 - Well---鈥hen I didn't do anything wrong.
496 00:35:19 Well, yes, but you know, I didn't--
497 00:35:22 At the time, I didn't feel likeI was doing anything wrong either.
498 00:35:25 But you-- I feel like I'mbeing blamed for this, like it's my fault.
499 00:35:29 I don't understand.
500 00:35:31 It's, uh, it's your faultbecause I don't care who you tell.
501 00:35:36 It's just
502 00:35:38 putting it on televisionfor the entire world to see.
503 00:35:45 Well, I鈥?I cannot鈥?/i>Like I said, I can't control her.
504 00:35:49 I can't stop that. I can't.
505 00:35:52 Well, because you鈥?you鈥?/i>you can stop talking to her and say,
506 00:35:56 "You know,I鈥?I just don't want to share anymore."
507 00:36:00 I'm just telling you what's gonna happen,
508 00:36:02 and I'm going to be hurt badly.
509 00:36:04 Well, that'swhat's happened to everybody so far,
510 00:36:09 and you know,that鈥?that's because of the actions--
511 00:36:13 This tells me thatthat's exactly what you want.
512 00:36:24 When you push me,I'm gonna push back 100 times more.
513 00:36:27 So when he called me, it's like,
514 00:36:30 "Bring it on."
515 00:36:33 "Bring it onbecause I'm ready to fight you."
516 00:36:42 I contactedthe Attorney General's office again
517 00:36:46 to get a status on this complaint,
518 00:36:49 and nobody was returning my calls.
519 00:36:57 So I decidedto investigate him myself.
520 00:37:05 I started researchingeverything about him,
521 00:37:09 from papers written, to articles,
522 00:37:13 to conferences he had attended, to blogs.
523 00:37:23 It was so much research.
524 00:37:28 I had just papers everywhere
525 00:37:30 to prove that I wasn't some crazy maniac.
526 00:37:35 He wanted me to keep quiet.
527 00:37:38 And he wanted me to keep quiet
528 00:37:39 because he knewthat there were more siblings.
529 00:37:49 My husbandgave me a DNA test as a gift,
530 00:37:54 and then I got a message saying,
531 00:37:58 "I think we're related."
532 00:38:03 When it all hit me, I kind of
533 00:38:07 just sat and staredfor the rest of the day.
534 00:38:11 And then, for the next couple of weeks,had a complete identity crisis,
535 00:38:14 and I couldn't look in the mirror.
536 00:38:16 I didn't wanna thinkabout where I got my hair from,
537 00:38:19 or where I got my eyes from,
538 00:38:21 because I had always thoughtthose were from my dad.
539 00:38:25 There was never any reasonthat I would have questioned anything.
540 00:38:29 My parents trusted their doctor,
541 00:38:31 who said that it would bebetter for me to not know,
542 00:38:34 and that I would never find out.
543 00:38:39 Every timethat a new sibling pops up,
544 00:38:43 I know that I'm going to call them,
545 00:38:46 and I knowthat, um, I'm going to ruin their life.
546 00:38:52 It's hard because we knowwhat we went through.
547 00:38:56 And we're making someone elsego through this exact same thing.
548 00:39:03 The first people who reached outto me were Julie and Jacoba.
549 00:39:09 I messaged them back and said,"I need some time to process."
550 00:39:12 "I'll reach back out later."
551 00:39:14 Um, and soit was probably a couple of months
552 00:39:16 before I, um, actually reached out
553 00:39:19 to鈥?to have a conversation with anyone.
554 00:39:22 Um,
555 00:39:24 your world is changing.
556 00:39:30 When you havenew siblings pop up,
557 00:39:34 you are on the phone with them for hours
558 00:39:36 because it's the worst day of their life.
559 00:39:41 You've lived that over and over and over.
560 00:39:54 I askedfor a DNA test for Christmas,
561 00:39:57 and I was really confused
562 00:39:59 'cause all of these random names to me
563 00:40:02 were popping up,and it said, "Close Family."
564 00:40:06 And so I really did not knowwhat "Close Family" meant.
565 00:40:08 It did鈥?did not even--I did not even think,
566 00:40:11 "Oh, brother or sister,"I didn't even think, "Cousin."
567 00:40:13 I got a messagethat a new sibling popped up,
568 00:40:16 and I logged in,and it said, you know, "Lisa,"
569 00:40:19 and her last name,and I was like, "Huh, I know her."
570 00:40:23 Her husband taughtmy daughter on the softball team.
571 00:40:26 Um, my daughter and her daughterplayed basketball together.
572 00:40:30 I sent her a message, and I said,
573 00:40:32 "Hey, did you happento do an Ancestry test?"
574 00:40:34 She said, "Well, do you knowabout the Dr. Cline story?"
575 00:40:37 And she said, "He's our father."
576 00:40:40 And I honestly, I started laughing.
577 00:40:43 I鈥?I was鈥?thought Julie was kind of crazy.I was like, "What are you talking about?"
578 00:40:48 "There鈥?there's no way he can be my dad."
579 00:40:52 And then I called my mom.
580 00:40:54 I said, "Hey, Mom, did you and Dadever have any issues conceiving me?"
581 00:41:00 She said, "Well, I didn't,but yeah, your dad did."
582 00:41:03 And so my heart dropped a little bit.
583 00:41:06 And she said,"He actually had a low sperm count,
584 00:41:09 and his doctor recommended usto a specialist."
585 00:41:13 I said, "Mom,was this specialist in Indianapolis?"
586 00:41:16 And she said, "Yeah, why?"
587 00:41:17 And I said, "Was it Dr. Donald Cline?"
588 00:41:20 And she said, "Yes."
589 00:41:24 She said,
590 00:41:25 "I went and had the procedure done twice,
591 00:41:28 but both times your fatherwas there with me and provided a sample."
592 00:41:34 And so, at that point,I realized my mom and dad had no idea.
593 00:41:40 They thought all alongthat I was my dad's.
594 00:41:49 I worry for my kids,
595 00:41:52 especially I have siblingsthat live in the same town as me,
596 00:41:55 and our kids go to school together.
597 00:41:56 And so, I've had to have the talkwith my daughter about,
598 00:42:01 "You've got to be carefulwhen you start dating."
599 00:42:04 "We got to be awareof who this person is,"
600 00:42:08 but it's definitely a huge concern.
601 00:42:13 When we get a new sibling alert,
602 00:42:16 you're praying,"Please don't let it be somebody I know."
603 00:42:20 Or聽"Please don't let it besomebody I dated."
604 00:42:23 And I'm sure it's bound to happen.
605 00:42:31 The majority of us live in,like, a 25-mile radius of each other.
606 00:42:36 There's also quite a fewthat live within minutes of Cline.
607 00:42:50 I walk around,
608 00:42:53 and I could be related to anyone.
609 00:42:57 I mean, it's just common for meto pass people on the street,
610 00:43:02 um, at work, wherever I may be,
611 00:43:04 and, I mean, I'll look at them and think,
612 00:43:07 "Oh, the way you stand, the way you look."
613 00:43:11 "You could be related to me."
614 00:43:18 We live in this small community.
615 00:43:23 Everyone that you interact with
616 00:43:25 appears to havesome sort of connection to Cline.
617 00:43:29 My dentist across the streetwas a patient of his.
618 00:43:32 My next-door neighborwas the nurse to one of my half-siblings,
619 00:43:37 and then there's this connection,
620 00:43:40 or there's that connection.
621 00:43:41 "Oh, my mom saw them at the nail salon."
622 00:43:55 I think without a doubt,there are probably people that I've met
623 00:43:59 that are my half-sibling,and I just don't even know it.
624 00:44:03 They don't even know it.
625 00:44:28 Who knowshow many siblings we have?
626 00:44:37 I had emailed Dr. Clineand told him,
627 00:44:40 "We're moving forward with the story.We would be using his name."
628 00:44:42 You know, "This is the timefor you to come clean to the public."
629 00:44:48 So, finally, he said, "If there's no audioand no video, I will meet with you."
630 00:44:53 I asked him if he wantedto come to FOX 59.
631 00:44:55 He said no. I said,
632 00:44:56 "There's a restaurantclose to the TV station."
633 00:44:59 And I wanted to be close to the TV station
634 00:45:01 because I wantedto make sure for my safety.
635 00:45:03 I wanted it to be someplacethat I felt safe.
636 00:45:06 My boss at that time wanted meto take our security guard with us
637 00:45:10 because she feared for my safety.
638 00:45:13 We knew that Dr. Clinedid not want to, quote, "be outed,"
639 00:45:16 and Jacoba told me that he carried a gun.
640 00:45:20 We thought that he was desperate.
641 00:45:24 She is, um, uh,demanding I meet with鈥?with them.
642 00:45:31 They're going to force me to do this.
643 00:45:34 -Mm-hmm.-I've gotta tell the truth.
644 00:45:36 -Mm-hmm. Well---And I don't want to do that.
645 00:45:40 I was very nervous,
646 00:45:41 and when he came in,it was within minutes he's asking me
647 00:45:44 if guns are allowed in the restaurant.
648 00:45:47 And I'm thinking,"What a weird thing to say to me."
649 00:45:49 Then I'm looking down, and it looks likehe has a gun underneath his sweater.
650 00:45:53 There's something bulgingon the side, and I'm thinking,
651 00:45:56 "I don't wanna be crazy,but is there any chance
652 00:45:59 that he could pull out a gunand shoot me?"
653 00:46:01 I honestly thought that.
654 00:46:06 One of the first thingshe said in our conversation
655 00:46:09 was that he knew where I lived,
656 00:46:11 and he knew where I was from.
657 00:46:12 Remember, this wasafter he had said before,
658 00:46:16 "Be careful."
659 00:46:18 The meeting was about an hour long,
660 00:46:20 and I feel like he was begging me
661 00:46:24 to not air the story.
662 00:46:26 He said, "It will ruin my marriage."
663 00:46:29 "It will hurt my church.I'm an elder at the church."
664 00:46:33 I let him know that we havethat burden to tell the truth,
665 00:46:37 and the truth matters.
666 00:46:46 So that's when, like,the whole whirlwind just started with him,
667 00:46:50 and strange things started happening.
668 00:46:57 I had woke up one day,
669 00:46:59 and all of the lug nutswere missing off of my car.
670 00:47:04 And I'm talking all four tires.
671 00:47:14 And that's scary.
672 00:47:16 So, yeah.
673 00:47:20 Um鈥?682
674 00:47:25 Yeah.
675 00:47:30 I was hacked.
676 00:47:31 Everything that I had savedto a Google Drive
677 00:47:36 of publications of Cline was just erased,
678 00:47:40 and every single emailregarding him was gone.
679 00:47:49 Soon after I went public,
680 00:47:51 I started getting harassing phone calls,
681 00:47:54 like the cemetery
682 00:47:56 asking if I wanted to buy a plot
683 00:47:58 for me to be buried in.
684 00:48:02 I think it was to rattle me.
685 00:48:05 Um鈥?695
686 00:48:12 I don't think he wanted, um, any of usto talk publicly if he could help it.
687 00:48:20 In my gut, I feellike we're being harassed and stalked
688 00:48:24 to get us to shut up,
689 00:48:26 especially when Cline calledand threatened me over the phone.
690 00:48:31 What you're doing isthat you're telling the world,
691 00:48:35 and the world doesn't need to know.
692 00:48:40 -I---I'm not trying to do harm.
693 00:48:44 Well, you are.
694 00:48:50 I'm not scared of you.
695 00:48:54 You can threaten me,
696 00:48:57 but I will never back down.
697 00:49:02 I am going to expose you.
698 00:49:09 And I'm gonna exposeall of your secrets.
699 00:49:19 I found out that
700 00:49:22 in 1963鈥?711
701 00:49:35 鈥nd this little girldarted out between two cars鈥?
702 00:49:43 鈥nd he hit her.
703 00:49:54 No!
704 00:50:03 She ended up dying.
705 00:50:07 He has told everybodythat's when he changed his life.
706 00:50:13 That's when he found God.
707 00:50:19 That traumatized him.
708 00:50:22 After that, he became more religious
709 00:50:25 and, um, churchgoingthan he had been before.
710 00:50:30 Maybe he thoughtthat this was his way of giving back,
711 00:50:33 that he took a lifethat really wasn't his fault.
712 00:50:35 Now, he was going to give back.
713 00:50:37 Maybe that was a psychological processgoing through his mind.
714 00:50:41 But it doesn't really matterbecause that should not have been a way
715 00:50:46 that he was trying鈥?to try to, uh, make amends
716 00:50:48 for some terrible accident that happened.
717 00:50:53 He was very religious,
718 00:50:57 had very deep roots,
719 00:51:00 and he and his wife taughtmarriage counseling in their church.
720 00:51:04 They taught Sunday school.
721 00:51:06 And whenever he wasin the office and all of us were there,
722 00:51:10 he would sit down, and we would wait,and he would say a prayer.
723 00:51:16 He, at some point, asked me
724 00:51:19 if I was Jewish,
725 00:51:22 and I said yes.
726 00:51:24 And I said, "And by the way,I'm very uncomfortable with your office
727 00:51:28 full of all kinds of Christian sayings."
728 00:51:31 Things like,"If you want to get into heaven,
729 00:51:34 you need to be Christian."
730 00:51:46 Yeah. I knew鈥?I knew Donald Cline.
731 00:51:51 The church is set upwhere they have an eldership.
732 00:51:53 So they have seven or eight men
733 00:51:57 that governed the church bodyas far as what was taught,
734 00:52:01 and he was one of those elders.
735 00:52:06 We would go overto his house for baptisms.
736 00:52:13 Literally, 50 to 100 peoplewould attend baptisms
737 00:52:17 right there in their鈥?at their swimming pool.
738 00:52:23 That's wherewe really got to know them.
739 00:52:26 From a Christian perspective,you have to say,
740 00:52:28 "Hey, we鈥?we all haveskeletons in our closet."
741 00:52:30 "We all have done thingsthat we regret doing."
742 00:52:36 I know that he and Godhave reconciled that.
743 00:52:41 That he's been forgiven,and that he has moved on from that,
744 00:52:45 and he's a different person now.
745 00:52:49 He portrays himselfas this godly man.
746 00:52:52 And I know we all make mistakes,
747 00:52:54 but I think there's more behind this.
748 00:52:57 What made him
749 00:53:00 every day wake upand decide to go into his work,
750 00:53:05 masturbate,
751 00:53:07 and place it unknowinglyinside women without their consent.
752 00:53:15 He could've stopped at any point,
753 00:53:17 but he kept doing itover and over and over and over.
754 00:53:37 Growing up, I kind of knewthat something was off.
755 00:53:41 Something was different.
756 00:53:48 You know,why do I got blond hair, blue eyes?
757 00:53:53 Everyone in my familyhas dark eyes and dark hair.
758 00:53:58 So, I got an Ancestry kitjust to figure out where I came from.
759 00:54:05 When Ancestry resultscame through, my coworker said,
760 00:54:08 "Well, you'll have11, 15 hits on Ancestry."
761 00:54:14 Well, when I opened up mine,I had over 3,000 hits.
762 00:54:22 And then immediately after that,
763 00:54:25 Jacoba called me.
764 00:54:27 "I'm your sister."
765 00:54:29 And she told me the truth.
766 00:54:32 I don't even know how to tell youthe emotions that came over my head.
767 00:54:39 Took me to an incredibly dark place.
768 00:54:44 Why?
769 00:54:46 Why feel the need to do this?
770 00:54:48 Is it to鈥?to further your career?
771 00:54:53 Is it to be the best of the best?
772 00:54:55 Is this to create life?
773 00:54:57 Is this some sort of sexual thing?
774 00:55:01 Like, I don't know.
775 00:55:03 I feel like he's hidingsomething more sinister.
776 00:55:14 Jason, we talked on the phonea lot before we got to meet.
777 00:55:17 Hey, how are you?
778 00:55:21 This is crazy.
779 00:55:22 I know!
780 00:55:24 Jason and I are very similar.
781 00:55:26 Like, we canread through people's bullshit.
782 00:55:30 When someone isn't religious,
783 00:55:32 and you're gonna usereligious verses to justify your actions,
784 00:55:36 that just makes it even more--
785 00:55:37 Worse. I would have just laughed at him.
786 00:55:39 Well, and it makes it even moreof a reasoning of people saying,
787 00:55:42 "That right there is whyI would never be religious
788 00:55:45 because of fuck nuts like you."
789 00:55:47 And it took all I had in me
790 00:55:50 to talk to him on the phonethat day without going off.
791 00:55:53 And I thought,"You've just got to remain calm
792 00:55:55 because you're recording this,and try to get as much out."
793 00:55:58 Let me hear it.
794 00:56:02 You know, I knowthat nothing happens without God,
795 00:56:06 um, allowing it.
796 00:56:08 -Um鈥?808
797 00:56:12 I don't think that Godshould have allowed it in the first place,
798 00:56:15 and I really think that we ask ourselvesevery day, "Why are we here?"
799 00:56:20 I think that's, like,a lot of our problems.
800 00:56:23 Yeah.
801 00:56:24 Well, you know,I mentioned one of my favorite, um鈥?/i>
802 00:56:31 One of my favorite scriptureswas Jeremiah 1:5.
803 00:56:37 If you'll remember, it says,
804 00:56:38 "Before I formed youin your mother's womb, I knew you."
805 00:56:42 Mm-hmm. Yeah.
806 00:56:44 Um,
807 00:56:46 and鈥?and that tells me,and it should tell everybody
808 00:56:50 that no one is born as a mistake.
809 00:56:55 Before I knew you, in your mother--What it鈥?What was it? It's--
810 00:56:59 "Before I formed you inyour mother's womb, I knew you."
811 00:57:02 Jeremiah 1:5.
812 00:57:04 Which really just kinda鈥?825
813 00:57:13 He knew exactly what he was doing with us.
814 00:57:21 I've just become obsessed with the story
815 00:57:24 and trying to piece everything together.
816 00:57:27 When I was sent an email
817 00:57:30 from someoneat the Attorney General's office,
818 00:57:32 I would go through,and the person that sent me the email,
819 00:57:36 and every personthat was copied in on that email,
820 00:57:39 I would search them on Facebook.
821 00:57:42 And one of the people with the state
822 00:57:44 has a "Quiverfull" email address.
823 00:57:48 That's when it was--
824 00:57:50 "What is Quiverfull?Like, what the hell is it?"
825 00:57:56 God says, "Children are a blessing."
826 00:57:58 "We should want to haveour quiver full of them鈥?
827 00:58:01 Quiverfull.It's essentially a cult
828 00:58:03 aimed to havingas many children as possible.
829 00:58:07 If a man with his wifehas a lot of children,
830 00:58:10 he will send them out as arrows.
831 00:58:12 He's like a warrior for God,and he sends his children out
832 00:58:16 as arrows into the world,who will be ambassadors for God.
833 00:58:23 The children are raisedto actively participate in government,
834 00:58:26 to actively run for office,
835 00:58:28 to seek positions of political prominence,
836 00:58:32 and eventually that the civil lawwill actually be the Bible.
837 00:58:36 Lo and behold, Jeremiah 1:5,
838 00:58:39 the verse that he kept using
839 00:58:42 is one of the Bible verses
840 00:58:45 that Quiverfull uses.
841 00:58:49 Basically, for them,women are just-- You鈥?you breed.
842 00:58:54 Was Cline in this Quiverfull movement?
843 00:59:00 Were all of us partof some sick, twisted, secret society?
844 00:59:08 There's so many theoriesthat I've thought of in my head.
845 00:59:14 I think the philosophies
846 00:59:17 or the beliefs of the Quiverfull movementseem so outrageous to me
847 00:59:21 that it's hard for meto actually believe that it's real.
848 00:59:24 I agree with thatand that we could even be a part of it.
849 00:59:27 Mm-hmm.
850 00:59:28 Yeah.
851 00:59:30 With the Quiverfull theory,back when we were all conceived,
852 00:59:34 that theory wasto produce more of the white race
853 00:59:38 because they were in fearthat other races were infiltrating that
854 00:59:42 and the white racewould eventually disappear.
855 00:59:45 I mean,
856 00:59:47 when you look at that wall of babies,
857 00:59:50 it is all Caucasian babies.
858 00:59:56 It's crazy because every timewe get a DNA match,
859 01:00:01 it's like, "Yep.Looks like one of the Cline boys,"
860 01:00:05 or "Looks like a Cline girl."
861 01:00:08 Most of us have blond hair
862 01:00:11 and blue eyes.
863 01:00:15 I hate to say this'cause it sounds so-- But it's almost like
864 01:00:19 we're like this perfect Aryan clan,
865 01:00:23 and鈥?it's disgusting.
866 01:00:28 It's sad that we haveto have conspiracy theories
867 01:00:31 to understand why he did this.
868 01:00:33 If he would just tell us,
869 01:00:35 then we wouldn't have to go through
870 01:00:37 of trying to findall these different reasons鈥?
871 01:00:39 Life would be easier for him if he did.
872 01:00:41 It would help all of us heal too.
873 01:00:43 But you're not gonnaget that from somebody
874 01:00:45 that does not havecompassion or any empathy.
875 01:00:49 It's disgusting to sit thereand lay in bed at night,
876 01:00:52 and wonder if the person that created you
877 01:00:57 is some racist bigot,
878 01:01:00 and he used my mom as a pawn.
879 01:01:04 And he did itover and over and over again.
880 01:01:08 Ugh.
881 01:01:12 Ugh!
882 01:01:17 I didn't ask to be born.
883 01:01:18 I didn't ask to be borninto this situation.
884 01:01:23 But this is my life.
885 01:01:25 But it's not your fault.
886 01:01:26 No, it's not, but then you have this manwho shares half of my DNA.
887 01:01:32 Our DNA.
888 01:01:36 There's justso many theories, and I鈥?
889 01:01:39 I don't think we'll ever knowwhy he was doing it,
890 01:01:43 but
891 01:01:45 I want him to have to pay for it.I want an investigation.
892 01:01:51 I want him punished.
893 01:02:00 The Attorney General'soffice didn't give a shit.
894 01:02:04 We were told thatthey couldn't give us any information
895 01:02:07 and we weren't allowed to know.
896 01:02:10 And we just kind of got disregarded.
897 01:02:13 The one person that we hadwas Angela Ganote,
898 01:02:16 calling and asking them,"What are you going to do?"
899 01:02:23 I had started back in 2015,
900 01:02:27 asking the Attorney Generalfor an interview,
901 01:02:31 asking anything that I could know aboutthis, and they would tell me nothing.
902 01:02:37 And then I also reached outto the Marion County prosecutor
903 01:02:40 and said, "Is anyone listening?"
904 01:02:43 Finally, the spokesperson
905 01:02:44 from the Marion Countyprosecutor's office said,
906 01:02:46 "Angela, I'm sorry.I don't-- Somehow I missed it."
907 01:02:49 I laid out a long paragraphof the whole story and what had happened.
908 01:02:54 I had even sent our storythat had aired and said,
909 01:02:57 "Did you watch our story?
910 01:02:59 I've been asking these questionsfor more than a year,
911 01:03:02 and I'm getting nowhere."
912 01:03:03 "And I feel like it's time thatthe prosecutor, or the Attorney General,
913 01:03:07 or somebody sits downand answers the questions that I have."
914 01:03:12 When we got the media inquiry,
915 01:03:14 there hadn't beenany true investigation done anywhere yet.
916 01:03:20 But at the end of the day,
917 01:03:21 there's just no crime that touches
918 01:03:24 this particular act.
919 01:03:27 That's our problem.
920 01:03:31 So I remember we were sitting there,
921 01:03:34 and, um, you know, we're asking him,
922 01:03:38 "How is this not rape?"
923 01:03:40 I don't denythat it was a sexual violation.
924 01:03:42 But legally, it isn't a sexual violation.
925 01:03:45 "I feel like my mother was raped"
926 01:03:48 is a valid human emotional statement.
927 01:03:53 But鈥?Dr. Cline committed rape"
928 01:03:57 is a legal assertion that was not true,
929 01:04:01 and I wasn't gonna put it on paper
930 01:04:03 with my signature.
931 01:04:05 And I said, "What about battery?"
932 01:04:07 And鈥?鈥e got rude with me.
933 01:04:10 He said, "I don't know how many timesI'm gonna have to tell you this."
934 01:04:15 "I can't charge him with battery.It wasn't battery."
935 01:04:18 I, uh, was so pissed.
936 01:04:20 I looked at Tim Delaney, and I said,
937 01:04:22 "So if I spit in your face right now,
938 01:04:25 it's not battery?"
939 01:04:26 And he said, "It is,because you'd be spitting on me."
940 01:04:32 And I'm like, "What the fuck?"
941 01:04:34 "So a doctor can go jack off
942 01:04:37 and put their sperm in a woman
943 01:04:41 who's their patient that did not consent
944 01:04:44 to have their doctor do that,
945 01:04:47 but yet, you're gonna tell methat if I spit in聽your face,
946 01:04:50 I'd be arrested and charged with battery?"
947 01:04:52 Jacoba and a lot of the individualstouched by this were very emotional,
948 01:04:57 and had, um, a feelingthat what I was there to do,
949 01:05:02 wasn't to apply the law
950 01:05:05 to determine whether or notDr. Cline had committed a crime.
951 01:05:09 They thought I was thereto deliver catharsis.
952 01:05:12 And I wasn't.
953 01:05:22 There's unequal application of the law.
954 01:05:24 It happens every day,it happens all over the United States,
955 01:05:26 and it happens here in Indiana.
956 01:05:29 Was there fraud?
957 01:05:30 Was there something else?
958 01:05:34 I just didn't feel likeit was investigated enough
959 01:05:37 to look atwhat could he have been charged with.
960 01:05:40 There was nevera good explanation in my mind.
961 01:05:44 I had a copyof the Indiana sexual assault law,
962 01:05:47 and I said, "Surely, there's somewherein this law that you can say--"
963 01:05:52 He says, "No, it has to haveboth components. It has to have force
964 01:05:55 and non-consent."
965 01:05:57 When you talk about rape,
966 01:05:59 there is a provisionin Indiana law that says,
967 01:06:01 "Rape can include conduct
968 01:06:03 which a victim does not know is sexual,but the perpetrator knows is sexual."
969 01:06:07 And that, I think,is actually the closest charge,
970 01:06:10 because in order for himto produce this sperm sample,
971 01:06:13 he had to masturbatein very close proximity
972 01:06:15 to the office where a patient was waiting,
973 01:06:18 unclothed from the waist down,
974 01:06:19 with a paper cloth covering her knees,
975 01:06:22 and knees spread apart.
976 01:06:25 Who's to say when this touch
977 01:06:27 stops becoming sexualand starts becoming clinical?
978 01:06:30 I think even if he's not thinkingof the patient in a sexual sense,
979 01:06:34 the very fact that he's stillunder the effects of physical arousal
980 01:06:37 makes this a sexual touching.
981 01:06:40 Even if he's thinking of his wifeor a pink fuzzy bunny rabbit,
982 01:06:44 it is still a sexual act.
983 01:06:47 But I also thinkwe have to see Tim Delaney
984 01:06:50 in the contextin which this case was brought.
985 01:06:52 And so when I interviewed Tim Delaney,
986 01:06:55 he said that Indiana juries
987 01:06:57 were not willing to buyrape-by-deception theories.
988 01:07:01 The jury is going to say,"This woman consented to insemination."
989 01:07:05 "This woman wanted a child."And the question is always out there,
990 01:07:08 "Does this woman's desire for a childlegitimate Donald Cline's deception?"
991 01:07:12 And unfortunately, that is a question
992 01:07:14 that Tim Delaney had to weighwould enter into the minds of jurors.
993 01:07:20 If he asked meif it'd be okay for him to be the donor,
994 01:07:23 I would have not said yes.
995 01:07:26 I would say no.
996 01:07:29 It was a violation of him into me.
997 01:07:35 The issue for me is there was no consent.
998 01:07:41 He didn't give me a choice.
999 01:07:45 The Attorney General's officehad at least
1000 01:07:48 reached out to Dr. Cline at some point
1001 01:07:50 and asked him if he鈥?if he had used his sperm,
1002 01:07:53 or had asked some sort of questionbecause Dr. Cline told me that.
1003 01:07:56 He told me that he filled it out,
1004 01:07:59 and that he denied anything,that he wasn't the father.
1005 01:08:01 I don't know what's in that letter'cause I've never seen it,
1006 01:08:04 but I know what our conversation was.
1007 01:08:05 Dr. Cline told me that he talkedwith the Attorney General's office
1008 01:08:10 through paperwork,
1009 01:08:12 and that鈥?he was not the father.
1010 01:08:17 That was really what ended upgetting him in trouble,
1011 01:08:19 because he lied to me, and I knew it,
1012 01:08:22 and he lied on the paperworkto the Attorney General's office.
1013 01:08:25 So at one point,I reached out to the Attorney General,
1014 01:08:28 and say, "You know he's lying to you."
1015 01:08:30 He lied and saidthat he never used his sperm
1016 01:08:34 to inseminate his patients.
1017 01:08:38 Only after we determinedthat the Attorney General's office
1018 01:08:41 had sent those letters
1019 01:08:42 were we able to come upwith a theory for how to proceed.
1020 01:08:46 We wanted to nail him with something,
1021 01:08:48 and the fact thatwe finally got something,
1022 01:08:51 it was like a "hurrah" moment.
1023 01:08:53 And not only that,
1024 01:08:54 he also added that he was going to sue me
1025 01:08:57 for libel and slander.
1026 01:09:00 Denying is obstruction of justice,
1027 01:09:03 but denying and threatening,and, to paraphrase, saying,
1028 01:09:06 "Do you know who I am?"was more than enough.
1029 01:09:09 It was like, "Eureka!" The, you know鈥?The bathwater started spilling out.
1030 01:09:12 I said, "Oh my God, we've got an angle."
1031 01:09:34 After we began the investigation,
1032 01:09:37 obviously the first stepwas to get DNA from Dr. Cline.
1033 01:09:47 He was sick.
1034 01:09:49 He had pneumonia, I believe.
1035 01:09:50 So he said, "Don't come too close."
1036 01:09:54 And we said,"We have a search warrant for your DNA."
1037 01:09:57 He asked a little bitabout "What is this all about?"
1038 01:10:00 But he knew what it was all about.
1039 01:10:05 Detective Sergeant Carmen Walker
1040 01:10:08 of the Marion CountySheriff's Office said,
1041 01:10:10 "We need you to open your mouth."
1042 01:10:14 And he complied.
1043 01:10:23 He did not look like he was enjoying it.
1044 01:10:50 It came back 99.9997%
1045 01:10:55 that I am his biological daughter.
1046 01:10:58 And how many timesdid you use your own sample?
1047 01:11:01 Sparingly, but
1048 01:11:05 keep in mind,we're talking 30 to 35 years ago,
1049 01:11:09 and I鈥?I can't remember.
1050 01:11:12 All the records have been shredded.
1051 01:11:18 The fertility doctorat the center of a controversial case
1052 01:11:21 is headed back to courtto answer criminal charges.
1053 01:11:23 Dr. Donald Cline is chargedwith two felony counts
1054 01:11:26 of obstruction of justicefor statements he made to investigators.
1055 01:11:30 The retiredIndianapolis fertility doctor
1056 01:11:32 now plans to plead guiltyto obstruction of justice.
1057 01:11:36 Prosecutors say he intentionallymisled investigators about a case
1058 01:11:39 that's turned dozensof people's lives upside down.
1059 01:11:42 And it was literally 20 months ago
1060 01:11:44 that I got a Facebook question to me,"Angela, can you help me?"
1061 01:11:47 And thank you for believing in them,because no one else did but you.
1062 01:11:51 Yeah, thank you.
1063 01:11:52 He didn't want to go to trial
1064 01:11:53 because more information would come out,
1065 01:11:55 and then also,he'd probably get more of a punishment.
1066 01:11:58 So he changed his plea to guilty.
1067 01:12:08 I felt goodthat day at the court hearing.
1068 01:12:13 Even though I knewthat all he was being charged with
1069 01:12:16 was two counts of obstruction of justice,
1070 01:12:19 I thought, "Fucking finally. Something."
1071 01:12:27 I didn't wanna makeeye contact with him. I鈥?
1072 01:12:32 I was afraid of him.
1073 01:12:38 Uh, he actually walked rightpast me and brushed up against me, and鈥?
1074 01:12:43 it almost brought me to my knees.
1075 01:12:47 That was my first time seeing that man
1076 01:12:52 and being that close to him,and there was no regard for us.
1077 01:12:58 Your honor, I'm asking for mercy
1078 01:13:01 and compassion for myself.
1079 01:13:07 I've tried to live out my life
1080 01:13:09 showing honesty and care to others,
1081 01:13:12 and I will continue to do so.
1082 01:13:15 He looked very old
1083 01:13:17 and weak, and part of me thought,
1084 01:13:20 "Is this an act that you're putting onto get the judge to go easier on you?"
1085 01:13:29 I was allowed to givea victim-impact statement
1086 01:13:31 because I was one of the originalsthat filed a complaint with the state.
1087 01:13:36 My hope was that the judgewould be appalled by this,
1088 01:13:41 and that he would at least get,like, some jail time.
1089 01:13:45 These are my words to Cline.
1090 01:13:47 Every time I or my half-siblingslook up our name,
1091 01:13:51 we all have the same issue tied to you.
1092 01:13:53 It has caused anguish in everyone,
1093 01:13:55 and some of us havewanted to die from this pain.
1094 01:13:59 For 30 years, my half-sister, Julie,believed her dad was her biological dad--
1095 01:14:03 Objection, Your Honor.
1096 01:14:06 Relevancy.
1097 01:14:08 We had agreedto the wording of the statement.
1098 01:14:12 Literally redlined it.
1099 01:14:14 And I had things crossed outor highlighted that聽you can't say.
1100 01:14:17 Because of your denials,
1101 01:14:19 I feel you haveno consideration for the mothers
1102 01:14:21 who came to you,us as your biological children,
1103 01:14:24 or your wifeand the four children you had with her.
1104 01:14:27 It was always about you.You lied. You still lie.
1105 01:14:31 You even have your family believing you,and that sickens me.
1106 01:14:34 -Our mothers trusted you鈥?/i>- Objection!
1107 01:14:36 She鈥?she went for it.
1108 01:14:38 I don't know if I would've had the courageto do that in front of a judge.
1109 01:14:41 But, you know鈥?1123
1110 01:14:45 Objection!
1111 01:14:46 What we're really getting at
1112 01:14:48 is the inability of victimsto tell their stories.
1113 01:14:51 Those who testify can only testify
1114 01:14:53 to鈥?to what is relevantto a criminal proceeding.
1115 01:14:56 But-- And what is relevantto Cline's proceeding
1116 01:14:58 was not what happened in the '70s or '80s,
1117 01:15:01 not the births, not the fertility fraud.
1118 01:15:03 It was the lies to the state.
1119 01:15:05 In Cline's proceeding,the state was the victim. They weren't.
1120 01:15:08 I do want to reiterate, probablyfor the fifth or sixth time at this point,
1121 01:15:12 that the court, by law, can only consider
1122 01:15:16 the chargesthat Dr. Cline's plead guilty to,
1123 01:15:18 the obstruction of鈥?of justice charges.
1124 01:15:20 Obviously, it would be inappropriatefor me to consider outside of that realm.
1125 01:15:25 What we asked for the judge to do
1126 01:15:28 was twofold.
1127 01:15:29 One, to make surethat these crimes remained as felonies
1128 01:15:35 on his record, and two,
1129 01:15:37 deliver executed time,an executed sentence,
1130 01:15:40 meaning time served in jail.
1131 01:15:43 We received a numberof support letters for Dr. Cline.
1132 01:15:46 These are lettersfrom members of the community,
1133 01:15:48 former patients, and membersof Dr. Cline's family and church.
1134 01:15:52 These individuals have knownDr. Cline for many years.
1135 01:15:55 And they evidencea strong connection to his family,
1136 01:15:58 the community, and that rehabilitation
1137 01:16:01 is not only possiblebut actually has already taken place here.
1138 01:16:05 A lot of folks submitted letters
1139 01:16:08 on his behalf to the judge.
1140 01:16:10 I believe there was onethat came from a prosecutor
1141 01:16:14 from Boone County,which is where he lives,
1142 01:16:17 saying that "This guy is a good man,"
1143 01:16:19 you know, "He should get some leniency."
1144 01:16:25 Is that an odd thingfor a prosecutor to write to a judge
1145 01:16:28 if it's a friend?
1146 01:16:32 I'd do well not to commenton that particular question.
1147 01:16:37 That's when I, in my gut,
1148 01:16:40 felt like the state was corrupt.
1149 01:16:42 There were people corrupt,
1150 01:16:43 and they were friendswith him or something.
1151 01:16:46 Please rememberthat whatever happens during sentencing,
1152 01:16:49 the people that love youare gonna continue to love you.
1153 01:16:53 The judge seemedvery sympathetic towards him,
1154 01:16:56 like on the verge of tears.
1155 01:16:58 With the limited resourcesthat we have, overcrowding at the jail,
1156 01:17:02 and your lack of a criminal history,
1157 01:17:04 um, an executed sentence is nothingthat the court is gonna order.
1158 01:17:07 I really wanted him to have jail time.
1159 01:17:10 I really did.
1160 01:17:11 I thought that that would bringa little bit of closure to me.
1161 01:17:15 But鈥?no.
1162 01:17:18 I know that this is yourfirst offense, but Dr. Cline, I do believe
1163 01:17:22 that the facts support going aheadand sentencing you as a level 6 felon.
1164 01:17:28 Um, as to fines and costs,
1165 01:17:31 sir, the court will fine you $500.
1166 01:17:34 And so he gotthe two Level 6 felonies
1167 01:17:38 with complete suspended sentences
1168 01:17:40 and a $500 fine,
1169 01:17:43 which is a slap in the fucking face.
1170 01:17:58 Dr. Cline,do you have any comment at all?
1171 01:18:00 Dr. Cline, what would youchange now if you could change anything?
1172 01:18:07 This was a span of two years
1173 01:18:09 from me filing a complaint,
1174 01:18:12 to them actually,finally doing something about it.
1175 01:18:16 And鈥?1190
1176 01:18:23 pretty much off the hook.
1177 01:18:29 And I dreadevery new match that comes.
1178 01:18:34 But they just keep coming,
1179 01:18:36 and you never know the daythat you're gonna wake up,
1180 01:18:38 and then they're going to be there.
1181 01:18:53 I just-- Uh, I feel like he鈥?1197
1182 01:19:02 game experiment for him.
1183 01:19:06 As far as I know,
1184 01:19:08 all of the聽inseminationsthat I did with my sample,
1185 01:19:13 um, and again it was sparingly,
1186 01:19:16 um, had a healthy baby.
1187 01:19:19 It was, you know, important to my parents
1188 01:19:22 that it was someone that was healthy,
1189 01:19:24 and for himto turn around and violate them
1190 01:19:27 and do this without their consent, and
1191 01:19:32 there's a lot of usthat have the same health issues.
1192 01:19:38 Almost every single one of us.
1193 01:19:42 I've been to so many doctors,been to the Cleveland Clinic.
1194 01:19:46 They don't know what's wrong with me.
1195 01:19:49 I'm sick.
1196 01:19:51 And other, um, siblings have, um,
1197 01:19:56 autoimmune diseases and stuff.
1198 01:19:59 I have an autoimmune disease, yeah.
1199 01:20:02 It's, um, a blood clotting disorder,
1200 01:20:04 um, which I didn't knowuntil I had a miscarriage,
1201 01:20:08 and, uh, we were determiningwhat would have caused that.
1202 01:20:11 I mean, I've had鈥?1219
1203 01:20:21 I mean, I've spent weeks in the hospital,
1204 01:20:23 losing 15 pounds at a time.
1205 01:20:26 I have a lot of digestive,um, and colon issues, and
1206 01:20:32 no one on my mom's side does.
1207 01:20:37 In the early '70s,
1208 01:20:39 I had heardthat he was having trouble, uh, operating
1209 01:20:42 because he had rheumatoid arthritis.
1210 01:20:44 And he had-- His hands were swelling up.
1211 01:20:47 I鈥?I, at that time,I felt I would hate to see him,
1212 01:20:50 his career of being a great surgeon end
1213 01:20:53 because he couldn't getthe right treatment for his arthritis.
1214 01:20:56 And so, I called our chief of medicine,
1215 01:20:58 told him about Cline's problems.
1216 01:21:00 And he said,"Yeah. Well, let me call Dr. B. up there,"
1217 01:21:03 and Cline went down and met with him,and he told him what to take,聽etcetera.
1218 01:21:07 So, once he got on the right medications,he seemed to be fine.
1219 01:21:11 His symptoms abated.
1220 01:21:16 I knowin talking to a sperm bank,
1221 01:21:20 30% of the guys didn't even make it
1222 01:21:23 past the questionnaire
1223 01:21:26 because of what was in their family.
1224 01:21:28 History of cancer, history of whatever,
1225 01:21:31 even color blindness, for goodness sakes.
1226 01:21:33 Now, looking back at it, and being like,
1227 01:21:36 "Okay. He's got an autoimmune disease,
1228 01:21:39 um, and his spermwouldn't have even been allowed
1229 01:21:44 to be a donor because of that."
1230 01:21:46 Like, "Dude, you knew this."
1231 01:21:49 "You knew鈥?you knew you had issues."
1232 01:21:52 "Like, how鈥?how dare you?"
1233 01:21:55 Yeah.
1234 01:22:00 Now, there's the Don Cline we knew,
1235 01:22:03 that I knew, that I th-- knew well.
1236 01:22:08 And there's the Don ClineI would have never imagined.
1237 01:22:14 Yeah.
1238 01:22:15 Yeah. It broke my heart.
1239 01:22:24 Evil.
1240 01:22:25 And I-- If Don was right here,I'd say that right to his face.
1241 01:22:34 Still to this day,
1242 01:22:35 there are peoplein his community that back him.
1243 01:22:40 And people that sit there and say,"But he is such a wonderful man."
1244 01:22:44 And I just want to look at those people
1245 01:22:47 and say, "Well, then maybehe should have put his sperm
1246 01:22:50 in your wife without her consent."
1247 01:22:52 "And then how would you like that?"
1248 01:23:05 I took a 23andMe DNA test because,
1249 01:23:10 about four or five years ago now,
1250 01:23:12 my聽children and I were both diagnosedwith a genetic disorder.
1251 01:23:17 I got the results back.
1252 01:23:19 And when I got to the genetic DNA family,
1253 01:23:24 there were half-siblings listed.
1254 01:23:27 And I honestly just thought,"Oh, this is a mistake."
1255 01:23:31 Because by that time,
1256 01:23:33 I didn't know that my parentshad any type of fertility treatment
1257 01:23:40 other than receivingfertility medications.
1258 01:23:43 So I kind of just put it out of my mind,and didn't think anything of it.
1259 01:23:51 And then I hada couple messages from Jacoba.
1260 01:23:55 And it basically said,
1261 01:23:57 "I'm sureyou're confused by your results."
1262 01:24:01 "Feel free to contact mewith any questions."
1263 01:24:04 It didn't occur to methat she was talking about the siblings,
1264 01:24:09 so I justkind of disregarded that message.
1265 01:24:18 On December 9th of 2019,
1266 01:24:23 a Dr. Phil show aired.
1267 01:24:25 Well, question for you.
1268 01:24:27 How would you feel if you found out
1269 01:24:29 your mother's fertility doctor
1270 01:24:32 was actually your biological father?
1271 01:24:41 When the siblings walked out鈥?1289
1272 01:24:47 You felt no remorse from him,other than just the fear of being caught.
1273 01:24:52 He was not remorseful at all.
1274 01:24:55 -None?-He just did not want it to be public.
1275 01:24:58 He told me,"The world does not need to know."
1276 01:25:01 Wow.
1277 01:25:06 I, uh, quickly got my phoneand opened my聽23andMe,
1278 01:25:11 and all of the siblings on that showwere listed as my half-siblings.
1279 01:25:17 So then I knew, I knew at that moment,
1280 01:25:21 that there-- That we were a part of it.
1281 01:25:25 I was a patientof Dr. Cline's for many years.
1282 01:25:30 I think he took each case very personally.
1283 01:25:35 At least he did with me.
1284 01:25:38 He delivered the girls,
1285 01:25:41 and he came over with his wife
1286 01:25:44 to see our babies at home.
1287 01:25:51 So this is a pictureof my twin sister and I
1288 01:25:53 right after delivery, in the incubator.
1289 01:25:59 And鈥?1308
1290 01:26:12 I was probably eight months old there.
1291 01:26:21 I had such mixed emotions in that
1292 01:26:26 the thought that he had used
1293 01:26:29 his own specimen to impregnate me
1294 01:26:34 made me kind of queasyand sick to my stomach.
1295 01:26:39 Whereas, um鈥?1315
1296 01:26:44 I thought about the factthat because of his skills
1297 01:26:48 in operating on me,
1298 01:26:49 and鈥?and clearing up some of the thingsthat were causing infertility,
1299 01:26:54 I was grateful to him.
1300 01:26:56 So I had this mix of emotions,
1301 01:26:59 and I have twin daughters
1302 01:27:02 who are absolutely delightful girls.
1303 01:27:07 And I--
1304 01:27:09 You know, you can't be angry
1305 01:27:11 when you have鈥?you have what you always dreamed of.
1306 01:27:17 Well, it was, um, complex for me because鈥?1327
1307 01:27:25 and to find out鈥?1329
1308 01:27:34 from the time I was small鈥?1331
1309 01:27:44 That was the biggest part.
1310 01:27:46 I felt this need to protect him,
1311 01:27:49 and I didn't want people to know.
1312 01:27:55 But the other part of my story
1313 01:27:59 is that Don Clinewas also my fertility doctor.
1314 01:28:09 He was my main聽GYN.
1315 01:28:12 He took care of all my gynecological needsfor the two years that I saw him.
1316 01:28:16 He did my Pap exams.
1317 01:28:19 He did breast exams.
1318 01:28:24 I mean, I don't thinkany grown woman wants鈥?
1319 01:28:30 someone closely related to them,
1320 01:28:33 a member of the opposite sex,to touch them in that way, in such--
1321 01:28:37 It's a very vulnerable positionthat the patient is in.
1322 01:28:42 And to be touching and examining
1323 01:28:46 private areas of your body. It's just--
1324 01:28:53 It's-- I can't鈥?I can't even thinkabout it without getting upset.
1325 01:28:58 I didn't get to havethat knowledge. He knew.
1326 01:29:01 I didn't get to know thator have the chance to say,
1327 01:29:04 "No. I would鈥?I鈥?I'd rather I see someone else."
1328 01:29:07 "I don't鈥?I don't want someonewho is biologically related to me
1329 01:29:11 to touch me in that way."
1330 01:29:13 I didn't get to do鈥?know that.
1331 01:29:19 It's almost, you know,
1332 01:29:23 it's like鈥?it's like a bad dreamthat you-- that's recurring.
1333 01:29:27 You wanna wake up.
1334 01:29:28 But every time you wake up,it's not a dream.
1335 01:29:33 I just can't believehow it was, you know, done to us.
1336 01:29:38 I really can't. And for himto act like nothing happened.
1337 01:29:43 I think that's the worst part of it.
1338 01:29:48 I don't want youto think that I do this--
1339 01:29:52 I did the insemination with my own sample
1340 01:29:56 very blas茅.
1341 01:29:59 Was there a sexual connotation to it?
1342 01:30:03 Absolutely not.
1343 01:30:05 I don't look at these people
1344 01:30:08 and consider them to be my
1345 01:30:11 children.
1346 01:30:16 I want zero relationship with him.
1347 01:30:24 He's not my father.
1348 01:30:30 I may share half of his DNA,
1349 01:30:34 but he's not my father,and he never will be.
1350 01:30:43 I feel sorry for himbecause his whole life to his wife,
1351 01:30:46 to his own children,to his community, to his church,
1352 01:30:50 to his colleaguesin the hospital and his office.
1353 01:30:54 It's all a lie.
1354 01:30:58 I would like to see himpay for what he did鈥?
1355 01:31:03 鈥ut I just, I feel like鈥?1379
1356 01:31:11 I'm okay.
1357 01:31:14 This is not my issue. It's his.
1358 01:31:22 I think continually puttinghis name and face in the media,
1359 01:31:27 and telling our storywas the absolute way to go.
1360 01:31:33 I'm not gonna run away from him.
1361 01:31:36 Not gonna run away from this story.
1362 01:31:40 If you were not evenexperiencing problems with infertility,
1363 01:31:42 if you saw Dr. Cline and you have a child,
1364 01:31:46 I think it is important,very important, that you have a DNA test.
1365 01:31:49 Your child has a DNA test,just to be certain that you know
1366 01:31:53 who the father is of that child.
1367 01:32:02 Instead of destroying me鈥?1392
1368 01:32:10 That's absolutely what you did.
1369 01:32:12 And you made me realizewhat my purpose is too.
1370 01:32:15 And I'm a fighter.
1371 01:32:18 And I will fight for every sibling
1372 01:32:21 that I have that I know,that I don't know,
1373 01:32:24 and for every woman that you assaulted.
1374 01:32:29 And I will do thisuntil the fucking day I die.
