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1 00:00:01 [birds singing]
2 00:00:31 Okay, so it is 8:30 in the morning.
3 00:00:35 And, "Why am I awake?" you ask.[clicks tongue]
4 00:00:37 Well, it's kind of a long story.
5 00:00:40 Um, I sort of unexpectedlystarted writing the new album,
6 00:00:46 and, at that point, I was just like,
7 00:00:48 "Oh, I'm just writing songsin quarantine," and then they're--
8 00:00:52 It just became an album really quickly
9 00:00:55 and really, really kind of beautifully,surprisingly.
10 00:00:59 And, so...
11 00:01:05 You can't go into studios nowbecause they're all closed,
12 00:01:07 and I've never recorded anywhere else.
13 00:01:09 Um, and I know that other peopledo this all the time,
14 00:01:12 so it's actually not that special,but I'm freaking out over it.
15 00:01:16 We've built a home studio in my house.
16 00:01:19 And so, it's, like--I'm gonna do vocals today in my house.
17 00:01:26 It's-- I'm very excited about it.
18 00:01:29 [sighs]
19 00:01:31 Okay, so over there is wheremy recording booth is,
20 00:01:35 and then on the other side of the wall...Laura!
21 00:01:38 -[Sisk chuckles] Hey.-[Swift] Yeah.
22 00:01:41 Jack?
23 00:01:43 Holy shit.
24 00:01:46 It's like you're right there,but instead, you're in New York.
25 00:01:50 I'm freaking out. We've never done this.
26 00:01:56 This is crazy.
27 00:02:39 -First day we've been in the same room.-Cheers. Yeah.
28 00:02:41 First moment.
29 00:02:43 That's so weird.
30 00:02:45 I think when lockdown happened,
31 00:02:47 I just found myself completely listlessand purposeless and...
32 00:02:52 That-- Then that was inthe first three days of it.
33 00:02:54 And then-- And then I remembered
34 00:02:56 -when we met a year before.-[man] Yeah.
35 00:02:59 And I'd come to The National show,
36 00:03:01 and afterward you would come upand talk to me, and you were so nice.
37 00:03:04 And I was like,"How do you guys write songs?"
38 00:03:07 You were like, "We all live in differentplaces, so sometimes I'll just make tracks
39 00:03:11 and send them aroundand send them to Matt."
40 00:03:15 And I just kind of thought to myself,
41 00:03:17 "If there was ever an opportunityto work with someone I was such a fan of
42 00:03:20 who could work like that,that would be so cool."
43 00:03:23 Then lockdown happened,and I texted you, and I was like,
44 00:03:26 "Hey. Would you even wanna work?Do you-- Are you in that place right now?"
45 00:03:30 And I was like, "I don't knowif this is a real text.
46 00:03:32 -I'm not sure."-[Swift laughs]
47 00:03:33 Seemed like a bit? Like a friend--
48 00:03:35 Well, I was like,"Is someone pretending? No."
49 00:03:37 I feel like it's also--
50 00:03:38 One of the reasons why it resonateswith me so much is because
51 00:03:41 in the dismantling of all our systemsof life that we've known in the pandemic,
52 00:03:46 you're left with two options.
53 00:03:48 You either cling to itand try to make it work
54 00:03:50 or to just say, "Well, I guessI'm just gonna chart a new path,"
55 00:03:53 and kinda get a frontier mentality.
56 00:03:54 And I think it was such a thrilling useof quarantine to say like,
57 00:03:58 "Well, everything's a blur,so I'm just gonna rewrite it."
58 00:04:02 Yeah.
59 00:04:03 I-- I didn't even tell my labeluntil a week before we put it out
60 00:04:07 -that it existed.-What was that call like?
61 00:04:09 It was amazing.
62 00:04:11 I thought it was gonna be stressful,
63 00:04:14 and I thought I was gonnahave to kind of stand up,
64 00:04:16 with shaking hands being like,"I promise I know what I'm doing.
65 00:04:19 I know that there's not,like, a big single,
66 00:04:21 and I'm not doing, like, a big pop thing,and I'm not--"
67 00:04:25 But they-- My label was like,"Whatever you wanna make, we're down."
68 00:04:30 You ready to play this whole thing?
69 00:04:32 Yeah, no. I-- I-- I think it's reallyimportant that we play it.
70 00:04:35 I think it will take that for meto realize that it's a real album.
71 00:04:40 -Seems like a big mirage.-[Antonoff] It does.
72 00:04:42 Never worked on an album like this.
73 00:04:44 Me neither.
74 00:04:46 Yeah.
75 00:04:48 I don't know if I ever will again.
76 00:04:49 Like, I don't know if it's how albumsare meant to be made.
77 00:04:53 It just worked right now.
78 00:04:55 There's something about the completeand total uncertainty about life
79 00:05:00 that causes endless anxiety,
80 00:05:02 but there's another partthat causes sort of a release
81 00:05:05 -of the pressures that you used to feel.-[Antonoff] Mm.
82 00:05:09 Because if we're goingto have to recalibrate everything,
83 00:05:14 we should startwith what we love the most first.
84 00:05:16 And I think that was what we weresort of unconsciously doing with this.
85 00:05:22 -[Antonoff] Totally. That is it exactly.-Yeah.
86 00:05:24 If everything's gonna fall apart,then make a record.
87 00:05:27 And I was so glad that we didbecause it turned out that,
88 00:05:30 like, everybody needed a good cryas well as us.
89 00:05:58 ♪ I'm doing goodI'm on some new shit ♪
90 00:06:02 ♪ Been saying "yes" instead of "no" ♪
91 00:06:05 ♪ I thought I saw you at the bus stopI didn't though ♪
92 00:06:12 ♪ I hit the ground running each night ♪
93 00:06:15 ♪ I hit the Sunday matinee ♪
94 00:06:19 ♪ You know the greatest films of all timeWere never made ♪
95 00:06:25 ♪ I guess you never know, never know ♪
96 00:06:29 ♪ And if you wanted meYou really should've showed ♪
97 00:06:32 ♪ And if you never bleedYou're never gonna grow ♪
98 00:06:36 ♪ And it's all right now ♪
99 00:06:40 ♪ We were somethingDon't you think so? ♪
100 00:06:43 ♪ Roaring twentiesTossing pennies in the pool ♪
101 00:06:46 ♪ And if my wishes came true ♪
102 00:06:50 ♪ It would've been you ♪
103 00:06:54 ♪ In my defenseI have none ♪
104 00:06:57 ♪ For never leaving well enough alone ♪
105 00:07:00 ♪ But it would've been fun ♪
106 00:07:04 ♪ If you would've been the one ♪
107 00:07:20 ♪ I have this dreamYou're doing cool shit ♪
108 00:07:24 ♪ Having adventures on your own ♪
109 00:07:27 ♪ You meet some woman on the InternetAnd take her home ♪
110 00:07:34 ♪ We never painted by the numbers, baby ♪
111 00:07:38 ♪ But we were making it count ♪
112 00:07:41 ♪ You know the greatest lovesOf all time are over now ♪
113 00:07:48 ♪ I guess you never know, never know ♪
114 00:07:51 ♪ And it's another day waking up alone ♪
115 00:07:55 ♪ But we were somethingDon't you think so? ♪
116 00:07:58 ♪ Roaring twentiesTossing pennies in the pool ♪
117 00:08:02 ♪ And if my wishes came true ♪
118 00:08:05 ♪ It would've been you ♪
119 00:08:09 ♪ In my defenseI have none ♪
120 00:08:12 ♪ For never leaving well enough alone ♪
121 00:08:16 ♪ But it would've been fun ♪
122 00:08:19 ♪ If you would've been the one ♪
123 00:08:22 ♪ I persistAnd resist the temptation to ask you ♪
124 00:08:28 ♪ If one thing had been different ♪
125 00:08:31 ♪ Would everything be different today? ♪
126 00:08:36 ♪ We were somethingDon't you think so? ♪
127 00:08:40 ♪ Rosé flowing with your chosen family ♪
128 00:08:43 ♪ And it would've been sweet ♪
129 00:08:47 ♪ If it could've been me ♪
130 00:08:50 ♪ In my defenseI have none ♪
131 00:08:53 ♪ We digging up the grave another time ♪
132 00:08:57 ♪ But it would've been fun ♪
133 00:09:00 ♪ If you would've been the one ♪
134 00:09:05 ♪ Ooh ♪
135 00:09:13 It was funny because I-- I feel likeyou captured the spirit
136 00:09:16 of the whole record with that song.
137 00:09:18 With "the 1" in the senseof just the way it opens, um,
138 00:09:23 "I'm doing good. I'm on some new shit.Been saying 'yes' instead of 'no',"
139 00:09:26 and I was like, "Is she talking aboutwriting songs with me
140 00:09:30 and everything else at the same timeor something--"
141 00:09:32 I think it has a new--I think it has a double meaning. The--
142 00:09:35 Opening the album with the words,
143 00:09:37 "I'm doing good. I'm on some new shit.Been saying 'yes' instead of 'no'."
144 00:09:41 Um, it-- it applies to the situationthat the song is written about where,
145 00:09:45 you know, you're updating a former loveron what your life is like now
146 00:09:50 and trying to be positive about it.
147 00:09:52 But it was also where I am creatively,where it's like, "I'm just saying yes.
148 00:09:56 I'm just putting out an albumin the worst time you could put one out.
149 00:09:59 I'm just making stuff with someonewho I've always wanted to make stuff with
150 00:10:03 as long as I've beena fan of The National. And--
151 00:10:06 I'm just gonna say 'yes' to stuff."
152 00:10:08 -Yeah.-And it worked out.
153 00:10:12 ♪ Vintage tee, brand new phone ♪
154 00:10:16 ♪ High heels on cobblestones ♪
155 00:10:20 ♪ When you are youngThey assume you know nothing ♪
156 00:10:27 ♪ Sequin smile, black lipstick ♪
157 00:10:30 ♪ Sensual politics ♪
158 00:10:34 ♪ When you are youngThey assume you know nothing ♪
159 00:10:42 ♪ But I knew you ♪
160 00:10:44 ♪ Dancing in your Levi'sDrunk under a streetlight ♪
161 00:10:47 ♪ I... ♪
162 00:10:49 ♪ I knew you ♪
163 00:10:51 ♪ Hand under my sweatshirtBaby, kiss it better ♪
164 00:10:55 ♪ I... ♪
165 00:10:56 ♪ And when I felt likeI was an old cardigan ♪
166 00:11:01 ♪ Under someone's bed ♪
167 00:11:04 ♪ You put me onAnd said I was your favorite ♪
168 00:11:11 ♪ A friend to all is a friend to none ♪
169 00:11:15 ♪ Chase two girls, lose the one ♪
170 00:11:19 ♪ When you are youngThey assume you know nothing ♪
171 00:11:26 ♪ But I knew you ♪
172 00:11:28 ♪ Playing hide-and-seek andGiving me your weekends ♪
173 00:11:32 ♪ I... ♪
174 00:11:33 ♪ I knew you ♪
175 00:11:35 ♪ Your heartbeat on the High LineOnce in 20 lifetimes ♪
176 00:11:39 ♪ I... ♪
177 00:11:41 ♪ And when I felt likeI was an old cardigan ♪
178 00:11:45 ♪ Under someone's bed ♪
179 00:11:48 ♪ You put me onAnd said I was your favorite ♪
180 00:12:08 ♪ To kiss in cars and downtown bars ♪
181 00:12:12 ♪ Was all we needed ♪
182 00:12:15 ♪ You drew stars around my scars ♪
183 00:12:19 ♪ But now I'm bleeding ♪
184 00:12:25 ♪ 'Cause I knew you ♪
185 00:12:27 ♪ Stepping on the last trainMarked me like a bloodstain ♪
186 00:12:31 ♪ I... ♪
187 00:12:32 ♪ I knew you ♪
188 00:12:34 ♪ Tried to change the endingPeter losing Wendy ♪
189 00:12:38 ♪ I... ♪
190 00:12:39 ♪ I knew you ♪
191 00:12:42 ♪ Leaving like a fatherRunning like water ♪
192 00:12:46 ♪ I... ♪
193 00:12:47 ♪ 'Cause when you are youngThey assume you know nothing ♪
194 00:12:53 ♪ But I knew you'd lingerLike a tattoo kiss ♪
195 00:12:56 ♪ I knew you'd haunt all of my what-ifs ♪
196 00:13:00 ♪ The smell of smokeWould hang around this long ♪
197 00:13:04 ♪ 'Cause I knew everythingWhen I was young ♪
198 00:13:07 ♪ I knew I'd curse youFor the longest time ♪
199 00:13:11 ♪ Chasing shadows in the grocery line ♪
200 00:13:15 ♪ I knew you'd miss meOnce the thrill expired ♪
201 00:13:18 ♪ And you'd be standingIn my front porch light ♪
202 00:13:22 ♪ And I knew you'd come back to me ♪
203 00:13:26 ♪ You'd come back to me ♪
204 00:13:30 ♪ And you'd come back to me ♪
205 00:13:33 ♪ And you'd come back ♪
206 00:13:39 ♪ And when I felt likeI was an old cardigan ♪
207 00:13:43 ♪ Under someone's bed ♪
208 00:13:46 ♪ You put me onAnd said I was your favorite ♪
209 00:13:58 [Dessner] Beautiful. [chuckles]
210 00:13:59 -That was so fun.-[Dessner] Yeah.
211 00:14:01 Oh, God. This is such a blast.
212 00:14:04 This is a real, real damn blast.You know that?
213 00:14:07 -You know what this is? A real blast.-[Dessner] Yeah, that was beautiful. Yeah.
214 00:14:14 When you sent me the trackfor "last great american dynasty,"
215 00:14:17 I had been wanting to write a songabout Rebekah Harkness
216 00:14:21 since 2013, probably.
217 00:14:25 And I'd never figured outthe right way to do it
218 00:14:27 because there was never a trackthat felt like it could,
219 00:14:29 kinda hold an entire storyof somebody's life and whatever
220 00:14:36 -and move between generations.-Yeah.
221 00:14:38 Then when I heard that, I was like,"Oh, my God. I think this is my opening.
222 00:14:41 I think this is my moment. I think I canwrite the Rebekah Harkness story."
223 00:14:45 That song is such a folklore moment to me
224 00:14:47 because it's not about you,but it is all about you.
225 00:14:50 -And it's like---Well, it's that country music,
226 00:14:52 kind of, narrative devicewhere in country music it's like...
227 00:14:57 ♪ This guy did thisThen this woman did this ♪
228 00:15:00 ♪ Then they metAnd their kid was me ♪
229 00:15:03 Totally. Yeah, yeah. "And I was that manthat I've been talking about."
230 00:15:07 Yeah, "I was that kid."Like-- Which is the best.
231 00:15:09 You listen to country songs,
232 00:15:10 and you're just like, shivers, everywhere.My whole body.
233 00:15:13 Even though it's not till the very endwhen you spin it around,
234 00:15:15 even thoughthe story's about someone else,
235 00:15:17 I think it's the most revealing thing.
236 00:15:18 -I think it's-- it's so deeply personal.-Aw.
237 00:15:22 It really hits you in the gutwhen you hear that at the end.
238 00:15:24 Thanks.
239 00:15:25 -It's real good.-Man.
240 00:15:32 ♪ Rebekah rode up on the afternoon trainIt was sunny ♪
241 00:15:38 ♪ Her saltbox house on the coastTook her mind off St. Louis ♪
242 00:15:45 ♪ Bill was the heirTo the Standard Oil name and money ♪
243 00:15:50 ♪ And the town said"How did a middle-class divorcée do it?" ♪
244 00:15:58 ♪ The wedding was charmingIf a little gauche ♪
245 00:16:01 ♪ There's only so far new money goes ♪
246 00:16:04 ♪ They picked out a homeAnd called it "Holiday House" ♪
247 00:16:11 ♪ Their parties were tastefulIf a little loud ♪
248 00:16:14 ♪ The doctor had told him to settle down ♪
249 00:16:17 ♪ It must have been her faultHis heart gave out ♪
250 00:16:22 ♪ And they said ♪
251 00:16:23 ♪ "There goesThe last great American dynasty ♪
252 00:16:30 ♪ Who knows, if she never showed upWhat could've been ♪
253 00:16:37 ♪ There goes the maddest womanThis town has ever seen ♪
254 00:16:42 ♪ She had a marvelous timeRuining everything" ♪
255 00:16:50 ♪ Rebekah gave upOn the Rhode Island set forever ♪
256 00:16:56 ♪ Flew in all her B**ch Pack friendsFrom the city ♪
257 00:17:02 ♪ Filled the pool with champagneAnd swam with the big names ♪
258 00:17:05 ♪ And blew through the money on the boysAnd the ballet ♪
259 00:17:09 ♪ And losing on card game bets with Dalí ♪
260 00:17:14 ♪ And they said ♪
261 00:17:15 ♪ "There goesThe last great American dynasty ♪
262 00:17:21 ♪ Who knows, if she never showed upWhat could've been ♪
263 00:17:28 ♪ There goes the most shameless womanThis town has ever seen ♪
264 00:17:34 ♪ She had a marvelous timeRuining everything" ♪
265 00:17:42 ♪ They say she was seen on occasion ♪
266 00:17:44 ♪ Pacing the rocksStaring out at the midnight sea ♪
267 00:17:48 ♪ And in a feud with her neighbor ♪
268 00:17:51 ♪ She stole his dogAnd dyed it key lime green ♪
269 00:17:54 ♪ Fifty years is a long time ♪
270 00:17:57 ♪ Holiday House sat quietlyOn that beach ♪
271 00:18:01 ♪ Free of women with madnessTheir men and bad habits ♪
272 00:18:05 ♪ And then it was bought by me ♪
273 00:18:14 ♪ Who knows, if I never showed upWhat could have been ♪
274 00:18:20 ♪ There goes the loudest womanThis town has ever seen ♪
275 00:18:26 ♪ I had a marvelous timeRuinin' everything ♪
276 00:18:32 ♪ I had a marvelous timeRuining everything ♪
277 00:18:39 ♪ A marvelous time ruining everything ♪
278 00:18:46 ♪ A marvelous time ruinin' everything ♪
279 00:18:53 ♪ A marvelous time ♪
280 00:19:15 I only wish our other two co-writerswere here.
281 00:19:18 -[Antonoff] Who?-Justin Vernon and William Bowery.
282 00:19:20 Justin is, uh-- is, uh,one of the greatest ever.
283 00:19:24 William, I never got to meet.
284 00:19:27 There's been a lot of discussionabout William Bowery and his identity
285 00:19:31 'cause... it's not a real person.
286 00:19:34 It's not?
287 00:19:36 Jack.
288 00:19:38 I'm doin' a bit.
289 00:19:40 A bit. That would've gone on forever.
290 00:19:42 What?
291 00:19:43 -[Swift] Who?-When?
292 00:19:44 So, William Bowery is Joe, as we know.
293 00:19:49 And Joe-- Joe plays piano beautifully,and he's always just playing
294 00:19:53 and making things upand kind of creating things.
295 00:19:56 And "exile" was crazy
296 00:19:58 'cause Joe had writtenthat entire piano part, that... [scats]
297 00:20:03 And it was singingthe Bon Iver part. The...
298 00:20:06 ♪ I can see you standing, honeyWith his arms around your body ♪
299 00:20:09 Jesus.
300 00:20:10 ♪ Laughin' but the joke'sNot funny at all ♪
301 00:20:12 -And I---Lyrics too?
302 00:20:13 -Yeah, he was just singing it...-Jesus.
303 00:20:15 ...the way that the whole first verse is.
304 00:20:17 -[Antonoff] Wow.-And so, I was entranced
305 00:20:22 and asked if, um, we couldkeep writing that one.
306 00:20:26 It was pretty obviousthat it should be a duet
307 00:20:29 'cause he's got such a low voiceand it sounded really good
308 00:20:31 -sung down there and in that register.-Yeah.
309 00:20:34 And then, um, we're really, really,really big Bon Iver fans. And, you know.
310 00:20:40 -So cool.-We know that Aaron knows him.
311 00:20:42 But we're-- I--I was too afraid to suggest it.
312 00:20:45 But, I just--When I sent it to Aaron, I was like,
313 00:20:48 "This is, uh, hopefully a duet.We-- I don't know who with.
314 00:20:53 Who would it be with?Who do you think would be good with this?"
315 00:20:57 And Aaron was like,"I think Justin would love this."
316 00:20:59 [Antonoff] You're like,"Okay, that could be interesting."
317 00:21:01 -I couldn't say it. I couldn't say it.-Really? Is that really what happened?
318 00:21:04 No, I couldn't say it with words.
319 00:21:06 Because if I would have said itand he would have gone to Justin,
320 00:21:10 and Justin would've said no,it would've hurt too much.
321 00:21:12 [Antonoff] Interesting.
322 00:21:13 When we talked about it, I was like,
323 00:21:15 "I think he's gonna bereally inspired by this."
324 00:21:17 And then we sent it to him, and he was.
325 00:21:20 And then the process of working on itand what he sent back.
326 00:21:25 And he wrote--Like, we didn't ask him to write anything,
327 00:21:27 -but he wrote this, like---Yeah. He wrote this amazing bridge.
328 00:21:30 -[Antonoff hums]-He wrote...
329 00:21:32 ♪ So step right outThere is no amount ♪
330 00:21:34 ...and like, that whole bit.
331 00:21:36 I kept thinking,"This isn't really going to happen.
332 00:21:38 Like, Justin is goingto change his mind about this
333 00:21:42 because this isn't a part of my reality.
334 00:21:45 There's no waythat this is going to happen.
335 00:21:47 He's gonna record the vocals
336 00:21:49 and then decidehe doesn't want to be on the record."
337 00:21:52 And then, it just never--That just never happened.
338 00:21:54 Like, he just is on the album,and he's just the coolest,
339 00:21:58 and that's what's happening.
340 00:22:15 ♪ I can see you standing, honey ♪
341 00:22:19 ♪ With his arms around your body ♪
342 00:22:22 ♪ Laughin' but the joke'sNot funny at all ♪
343 00:22:29 ♪ And it took you five whole minutes ♪
344 00:22:32 ♪ To pack us up and leave me with it ♪
345 00:22:35 ♪ Holdin' all this loveOut here in the hall ♪
346 00:22:42 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪
347 00:22:46 ♪ And I didn't like the ending ♪
348 00:22:49 ♪ You're not my homeland anymore ♪
349 00:22:53 ♪ So what am I defending now? ♪
350 00:22:56 ♪ You were my townNow I'm in exile, seein' you out ♪
351 00:23:02 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪
352 00:23:09 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
353 00:23:12 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
354 00:23:15 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
355 00:23:21 ♪ I can see you starin', honey ♪
356 00:23:25 ♪ Like he's just your understudy ♪
357 00:23:28 ♪ Like you'd getYour knuckles bloody for me ♪
358 00:23:35 ♪ Second, third, and hundredth chances ♪
359 00:23:38 ♪ Balancin' on breaking branches ♪
360 00:23:41 ♪ Those eyes add insult to injury ♪
361 00:23:48 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪
362 00:23:52 ♪ And I didn't like the ending ♪
363 00:23:55 ♪ I'm not your problem anymore ♪
364 00:23:59 ♪ So who am I offending now? ♪
365 00:24:02 ♪ You were my crownNow I'm in exile, seein' you out ♪
366 00:24:08 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪
367 00:24:12 ♪ So I'm leaving out the side door ♪
368 00:24:16 ♪ So step right out ♪
369 00:24:19 ♪ There is no amountOf crying I can do for you ♪
370 00:24:25 ♪ All this time ♪
371 00:24:28 ♪ We always walked a very thin line ♪
372 00:24:31 ♪ You didn't even hear me out ♪
373 00:24:34 ♪ You never gave no warning sign ♪
374 00:24:38 ♪ All this time ♪
375 00:24:40 ♪ I never learned to read your mind ♪
376 00:24:42 ♪ Never learned to read my mind ♪
377 00:24:44 -♪ I couldn't turn things around ♪-♪ You never turned things around ♪
378 00:24:47 -♪ 'Cause you never gave no warning sign ♪-♪ I gave so many signs ♪
379 00:24:52 [together] ♪ So many signs ♪
380 00:24:55 ♪ So many signs ♪
381 00:24:59 ♪ You didn't even see the signs ♪
382 00:25:04 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪
383 00:25:08 ♪ And I didn't like the ending ♪
384 00:25:11 ♪ You're not my homeland anymore ♪
385 00:25:15 ♪ So what am I defending now? ♪
386 00:25:17 ♪ You were my townNow I'm in exile, seein' you out ♪
387 00:25:23 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪
388 00:25:27 ♪ So I'm leaving out the side door ♪
389 00:25:31 ♪ So step right out ♪
390 00:25:34 ♪ There is no amount ♪
391 00:25:37 ♪ Of crying I can do for ya ♪
392 00:25:41 ♪ All this time ♪
393 00:25:43 ♪ We always walked a very thin line ♪
394 00:25:46 -♪ You didn't even hear me out ♪-♪ Didn't even hear me out ♪
395 00:25:50 ♪ You never gave no warning signs ♪
396 00:25:52 -♪ I gave so many signs ♪-♪ All this time ♪
397 00:25:56 ♪ I never learned to read your mind ♪
398 00:25:58 ♪ Never learned to read my mind ♪
399 00:25:59 ♪ I couldn't turn things around ♪
400 00:26:01 ♪ You never turned things around ♪
401 00:26:02 ♪ You never gave no warning signs ♪
402 00:26:04 -♪ I gave so many signs ♪-♪ All this time ♪
403 00:26:08 ♪ So many signs ♪
404 00:26:11 [together] ♪ So many signs ♪
405 00:26:15 [Vernon vocalizing]
406 00:26:22 [Swift vocalizing]
407 00:26:28 [both vocalizing]
408 00:26:44 Where do we start?I mean, to me the whole thing starts
409 00:26:46 with "my tears ricochet."
410 00:26:48 Yeah. Chronologically,that's the first thing.
411 00:26:51 I wrote that one alone.
412 00:26:53 And it's definitely, I think,one of the saddest songs on the album.
413 00:26:57 Yeah. I think it's oneof the best songs you've written.
414 00:27:01 Aw, thanks.
415 00:27:02 Which is I think why you crowned itas a track five.
416 00:27:05 Yeah, picking a track fiveis sort of a pressurized decision,
417 00:27:10 but I knew from day onethis was probably gonna be it.
418 00:27:13 -Um, it's kind of a song about karma.-Yeah.
419 00:27:16 It's a song about greed.
420 00:27:19 It's a song about how somebodycould be your best friend
421 00:27:24 and your companionand your most trusted person in your life
422 00:27:28 and then they could goand become your worst enemy
423 00:27:32 who knows how to hurt you becausethey were once your most trusted person.
424 00:27:35 -It's the worst betrayal.-Yeah.
425 00:27:37 It does remind meof people going through a divorce
426 00:27:39 and having that personthat they swore to be with forever
427 00:27:43 then become the person that they spendmost of their time talking shit about.
428 00:27:47 Yeah, and it is that ultimate betrayalwhen someone,
429 00:27:51 -you know, messed you up from the inside.-Mm-hmm.
430 00:27:53 Writing this song,it kind of occurred to me
431 00:27:55 that in all of the superhero stories,
432 00:27:58 the hero's greatest nemesis is the villainthat used to be his best friend.
433 00:28:04 -Yeah.-Um, that sort of thing.
434 00:28:07 When you think about that, you think about
435 00:28:09 how there's this beautiful momentin the beginning of a friendship
436 00:28:13 where these people have no ideathat one day they'll hate each other
437 00:28:17 and try to really take each other out.
438 00:28:21 -Yeah.-I mean, that's really sad and terrible.
439 00:28:24 But that's the bird's eye view qualityof the song that I think is so unique
440 00:28:27 because they're both great, but sometimesyou write, like, very in the moment.
441 00:28:32 And you're like,"This happened, and this is how I feel."
442 00:28:34 I love that, but this song,
443 00:28:37 which is interestingthat it's the first one that happened
444 00:28:39 because I think it became a huge themeon the album, is it's very pulled back.
445 00:28:42 It's very pulled back and commentingon the whole experience of it.
446 00:28:46 Um...
447 00:28:48 It's very powerful to me.
448 00:29:02 ♪ We gather hereWe line up weeping in a sunlit room ♪
449 00:29:08 ♪ And if I'm on fire ♪
450 00:29:13 ♪ You'll be made of ashes too ♪
451 00:29:16 ♪ Even on my worst dayDid I deserve, babe ♪
452 00:29:20 ♪ All the hell you gave me? ♪
453 00:29:24 ♪ 'Cause I loved youI swear I loved you ♪
454 00:29:28 ♪ Till my dying day ♪
455 00:29:34 ♪ I didn't have it in myselfTo go with grace ♪
456 00:29:41 ♪ And you're the hero flying aroundSaving face ♪
457 00:29:48 ♪ And if I'm dead to youWhy are you at the wake? ♪
458 00:29:54 ♪ Cursing my nameWishing I stayed ♪
459 00:29:58 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪
460 00:30:16 ♪ We gather stonesNever knowing what they'll mean ♪
461 00:30:23 ♪ Some to throwSome to make a diamond ring ♪
462 00:30:30 ♪ You know I didn't want toHave to haunt you ♪
463 00:30:34 ♪ But what a ghostly scene ♪
464 00:30:38 ♪ You wear the same jewelsThat I gave you ♪
465 00:30:42 ♪ As you bury me ♪
466 00:30:47 ♪ I didn't have it in myselfTo go with grace ♪
467 00:30:55 ♪ 'Cause when I'd fightYou used to tell me I was brave ♪
468 00:31:02 ♪ And if I'm dead to youWhy are you at the wake? ♪
469 00:31:08 ♪ Cursing my nameWishing I stayed ♪
470 00:31:12 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪
471 00:31:15 ♪ And I can go anywhere I want ♪
472 00:31:19 ♪ Anywhere I wantJust not home ♪
473 00:31:22 ♪ And you can aim for my heartGo for blood ♪
474 00:31:26 ♪ But you would still miss meIn your bones ♪
475 00:31:30 ♪ And I still talk to you ♪
476 00:31:34 ♪ When I'm screaming at the sky ♪
477 00:31:37 ♪ And when you can't sleep at night ♪
478 00:31:41 ♪ You hear my stolen lullabies ♪
479 00:31:53 ♪ I didn't have it in myselfTo go with grace ♪
480 00:32:02 ♪ And so, the battleships will sinkBeneath the waves ♪
481 00:32:09 ♪ You had to kill meBut it killed you just the same ♪
482 00:32:14 ♪ You're cursing my nameWishing I stayed ♪
483 00:32:18 ♪ You turned into your worst fears ♪
484 00:32:21 ♪ And you're tossing out blameDrunk on this pain ♪
485 00:32:25 ♪ Crossing out the good years ♪
486 00:32:28 ♪ And you're cursing my nameWishing I'd stayed ♪
487 00:32:33 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪
488 00:32:40 ♪ Yeah, look at how my tears ricochet ♪
489 00:32:48 ♪ Look at all of my tears ♪
490 00:32:55 ♪ Turning into your tears ♪
491 00:33:03 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪
492 00:33:14 [sighs]
493 00:33:24 In folklore, there are a lot of songs thatreference each other or lyrical parallels,
494 00:33:28 and one of the ones that I likeis the entire song "this is me trying"
495 00:33:34 then being referenced againin "mirrorball,"
496 00:33:36 which is, "I've never been a natural.All I do is try."
497 00:33:39 Yeah, I remember that being an interestingone for you to actually put down.
498 00:33:42 'Cause I remember you said it,and you did it, and you were like,
499 00:33:45 -"Should I say that? Should I--"-I was like, "Is that too true? Is that--"
500 00:33:48 And I think with "mirrorball," sometimeswhen I'm writing to an instrumental track,
501 00:33:53 I'll push play,and I'll immediately see a scene set.
502 00:33:56 And this was one of those caseswhere I just saw, you know,
503 00:34:00 lonely disco ball,twinkly lights, neon signs,
504 00:34:06 people drinking beer by the bar,
505 00:34:08 um, a couple of stragglerson the dance floor.
506 00:34:11 Just sort of a sad, moonlit,lonely experience
507 00:34:17 in the middle of a townthat you've never been.
508 00:34:20 And I just was thinking,
509 00:34:22 "Okay, so we have mirrorballsin the middle of a dance floor
510 00:34:25 because they reflect light.
511 00:34:28 They are broken a million times,and that's what makes them so shiny.
512 00:34:32 We have people like that in society too.
513 00:34:35 They hang there, and every timethey break, it entertains us."
514 00:34:38 -Yeah.-And...
515 00:34:40 "And when you shine a light on them,it's this glittering, fantastic thing,
516 00:34:45 but then a lot of the timewhen the spotlight isn't on them
517 00:34:48 they're still there, up on a pedestal,but nobody's watching them."
518 00:34:53 It's a myth we love,and then we create it for people.
519 00:34:56 Yeah. It's the whole--
520 00:34:57 -Like, "Do the broken thing."-Do the broken thing.
521 00:34:59 "Make it fun. Now make it sad.Now make it cool. Now make it sad."
522 00:35:01 -Yeah, but when the light's off, be okay.-Yeah.
523 00:35:03 It was a metaphor for celebrity,but it's also a metaphor
524 00:35:06 for so many peoplewho have to feel, like--
525 00:35:09 Everybody else feels likethey have to be on for certain people.
526 00:35:13 For-- You have to be different versionsof yourself for different people.
527 00:35:17 Different versions at work,different versions around friends,
528 00:35:19 different versions of yourselfaround different friends.
529 00:35:22 Different version of yourselfaround family.
530 00:35:25 -Yeah.-Everybody has to be duplicitous, um...
531 00:35:29 or feels that they have to,in some ways, be duplicitous.
532 00:35:33 And that's part of the human experience,but it's also exhausting.
533 00:35:37 And you kind of learn
534 00:35:39 that every one of us has the abilityto become a shape-shifter.
535 00:35:44 -Totally.-But what does that do to us?
536 00:35:46 And it also is the first time,and one of the only times,
537 00:35:49 that the time that we're living throughis actually lyrically addressed.
538 00:35:54 Um, I think that, you know,the pandemic and lockdown and all that
539 00:35:58 runs through this album like a threadbecause it's an album
540 00:36:01 that allows you to feel your feelings,and it's a product of isolation.
541 00:36:04 It's a product of all this,you know, rumination on
542 00:36:09 what we are as humans, blah, blah, blah.
543 00:36:12 But this is the first timein the bridge saying,
544 00:36:14 "They called off the circus,burned the disco down
545 00:36:17 when they sent home the horsesand the rodeo clowns."
546 00:36:19 I wrote this song right afterI found out all my shows were canceled.
547 00:36:22 And it's like I'm still on that tightrope.
548 00:36:24 I'm still trying everything to keep you--to get you laughing at me.
549 00:36:27 So, it's like, I realize, here I amwriting all this music, still trying,
550 00:36:33 and I know I have an excuse to sit backand not do something,
551 00:36:37 but I'm not, and I can't,
552 00:36:38 -and I don't know why that is.-You don't get it.
553 00:36:41 But that's what makes it, to me,a great piece of pandemic-time work,
554 00:36:45 is that it's not about the pandemic.
555 00:36:47 It's about the experienceof what happens to an artist
556 00:36:50 when you're living through a pandemic.
557 00:36:51 -Yeah. You start there-- You start---You start to dream.
558 00:36:55 Yep.
559 00:37:12 ♪ I want you to know ♪
560 00:37:20 ♪ I'm a mirrorball ♪
561 00:37:24 ♪ I'll show you every versionOf yourself tonight ♪
562 00:37:33 ♪ I'll get you out on the floor ♪
563 00:37:37 ♪ Shimmering beautiful ♪
564 00:37:42 ♪ And when I breakIt's in a million pieces ♪
565 00:37:48 ♪ HushWhen no one is around, my dear ♪
566 00:37:55 ♪ You'll find me on my tallest tiptoes ♪
567 00:37:59 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪
568 00:38:03 ♪ Shining just for you ♪
569 00:38:06 ♪ HushI know they said the end is near ♪
570 00:38:12 ♪ But I'm still on my tallest tiptoes ♪
571 00:38:17 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪
572 00:38:20 ♪ Shining just for you ♪
573 00:38:23 ♪ I want you to know ♪
574 00:38:30 ♪ I'm a mirrorball ♪
575 00:38:34 ♪ I can change everythingAbout me to fit in ♪
576 00:38:39 ♪ You are not like the regulars ♪
577 00:38:47 ♪ The masquerade revelers ♪
578 00:38:52 ♪ Drunk as they watchMy shattered edges glisten ♪
579 00:38:58 ♪ HushWhen no one is around, my dear ♪
580 00:39:05 ♪ You'll find me on my tallest tiptoes ♪
581 00:39:09 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪
582 00:39:12 ♪ Shining just for you ♪
583 00:39:15 ♪ HushI know they said the end is near ♪
584 00:39:22 ♪ But I'm still on my tallest tiptoes ♪
585 00:39:27 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪
586 00:39:30 ♪ Shining just for you ♪
587 00:39:33 ♪ And they called off the circusBurned the disco down ♪
588 00:39:37 ♪ When they sent home the horsesAnd the rodeo clowns ♪
589 00:39:42 ♪ I'm still on that tightrope ♪
590 00:39:44 ♪ I'm still trying everythingTo get you laughing at me ♪
591 00:39:50 ♪ And I'm still a believerBut I don't know why ♪
592 00:39:55 ♪ I've never been a naturalAll I do is try, try, try ♪
593 00:39:59 ♪ I'm still on that trapeze ♪
594 00:40:01 ♪ I'm still trying everythingTo keep you looking at me ♪
595 00:40:10 ♪ Because I'm a mirrorball ♪
596 00:40:15 ♪ I'm a mirrorball ♪
597 00:40:19 ♪ I'll show you every versionOf yourself tonight ♪
598 00:40:33 With "seven," the song,I was looking back on it.
599 00:40:36 I've always wondered--
600 00:40:37 When I see a kid throwinga massive tantrum in a grocery store,
601 00:40:41 -part of me is like, "Man, I feel you."-[Antonoff chuckles]
602 00:40:43 Like, "When did I stop doing thatwhen I was upset?"
603 00:40:46 Like, "When did I stop being so outragedthat I would throw myself on the floor
604 00:40:51 and throw the cereal at my mom?"
605 00:40:54 Well, it also doesn't stop,but where does it go?
606 00:40:57 -Yeah.-That feeling.
607 00:40:58 Like, we're still having that feeling,but what is it now?
608 00:41:00 Yeah, so the idea is, you know,please picture me before I learn civility.
609 00:41:03 Like, I used to scream anytime I wanted.
610 00:41:07 Obviously, you know, we can't bethrowing tantrums all the time,
611 00:41:10 and we learn thatthat's not the right thing to do,
612 00:41:12 but there's something lost there too.
613 00:41:16 ♪ Please picture me ♪
614 00:41:20 ♪ In the trees ♪
615 00:41:23 ♪ I hit my peak at seven feet ♪
616 00:41:28 ♪ In the swing ♪
617 00:41:30 ♪ Over the creek ♪
618 00:41:33 ♪ I was too scared to jump in ♪
619 00:41:35 ♪ But I, I was high ♪
620 00:41:41 ♪ In the sky ♪
621 00:41:43 ♪ With Pennsylvania under me ♪
622 00:41:50 ♪ Are there still beautiful things? ♪
623 00:41:57 ♪ Sweet tea in the summer ♪
624 00:41:59 ♪ Cross your heartWon't tell no other ♪
625 00:42:02 ♪ And though I can't recall your face ♪
626 00:42:04 ♪ I still got love for you ♪
627 00:42:07 ♪ Your braids make a pattern ♪
628 00:42:09 ♪ Love you to the moon and to Saturn ♪
629 00:42:12 ♪ Passed down like folk songs ♪
630 00:42:14 ♪ The love lasts so long ♪
631 00:42:38 ♪ And I've been meaning to tell you ♪
632 00:42:41 ♪ I think your house is haunted ♪
633 00:42:43 ♪ Your dad is always madAnd that must be why ♪
634 00:42:48 ♪ I think you should come live with me ♪
635 00:42:51 ♪ And we can be pirates ♪
636 00:42:53 ♪ Then you won't have to cry ♪
637 00:42:56 ♪ Or hide in the closet ♪
638 00:42:59 ♪ And just like a folk song ♪
639 00:43:01 ♪ Our love will be passed on ♪
640 00:43:07 ♪ Please picture me ♪
641 00:43:12 ♪ In the weeds ♪
642 00:43:14 ♪ Before I learned civility ♪
643 00:43:19 ♪ I used to scream ferociously ♪
644 00:43:24 ♪ Anytime I wanted ♪
645 00:43:27 ♪ Oh ♪
646 00:43:31 ♪ Oh ♪
647 00:43:38 ♪ Sweet tea in the summer ♪
648 00:43:40 ♪ Cross your heartWon't tell no other ♪
649 00:43:43 ♪ And though I can't recall your face ♪
650 00:43:45 ♪ I still got love for you ♪
651 00:43:48 ♪ Pack your dolls in a sweater ♪
652 00:43:50 ♪ We'll move to India forever ♪
653 00:43:53 ♪ Passed down like folk songs ♪
654 00:43:55 ♪ The love lasts so long ♪
655 00:44:46 It's a weird experience,uh, to work with you.
656 00:44:50 -[laughs]-And now Aaron can understand it.
657 00:44:52 No, I'm serious because it's like,
658 00:44:53 "Here's the song.Oh wait, here's the bridge.
659 00:44:55 Wait, here's a better bridge.Okay, now I have the perfect bridge.
660 00:44:57 Then here's a thing after the bridge,and this thing's gonna come in--"
661 00:45:00 ♪ Remember when I pulled upAnd said, "Get in the car" ♪
662 00:45:02 I wrote that in the vocal booth.
663 00:45:03 Yes! So there's series of--
664 00:45:05 ♪ Canceled my plansJust in case you'd call ♪
665 00:45:07 And so-- But hearing the patchworkof that whole thing coming together,
666 00:45:10 I was just like, um...
667 00:45:11 I just love what you did on that song.
668 00:45:14 -It takes me away.-Thanks. I love what you did on that song.
669 00:45:16 And I've been kinda in my head,like, calling the girl from "august"
670 00:45:19 -either Augusta or Augustine.-Oh, nice.
671 00:45:22 -I've been naming her that in my head.-Well, that changes things for me.
672 00:45:25 Cause she's really nameless to me,but now it's forever changed.
673 00:45:27 [chuckles] What happened in my head was,
674 00:45:29 okay, so "cardigan"is Betty's perspective from,
675 00:45:33 like, 20 to 30 years later,looking back on this love
676 00:45:37 that was this tumultuous thing.
677 00:45:38 In my head, I think Betty and Jamesended up together.
678 00:45:42 -Right?-Interesting.
679 00:45:43 So, in my head, she ends up with him,but he really put her through it.
680 00:45:46 But, like, "august" was obviously about
681 00:45:49 the girl that James hadthis summer with, right?
682 00:45:52 So she seems like she's a bad girl,but really, she's not a bad girl.
683 00:45:55 She's, like, really a sensitive personwho really fell for him.
684 00:45:58 And she was trying to seem cooland seem like she didn't care
685 00:46:02 because that's what girls have to do.
686 00:46:04 And she was trying to let him thinkthat she didn't care,
687 00:46:07 but she really did, and she thoughtthey had something very real.
688 00:46:11 And then he goes back to Betty.
689 00:46:13 So the idea that there's some,like, some bad, villain girl
690 00:46:17 in any type of situation who,like, takes your man
691 00:46:19 is actually a total myth becausethat's not usually the case at all.
692 00:46:24 Like, everybody has feelingsand wants to be seen and loved,
693 00:46:27 and just, like, Augustine,that's all she wanted was love.
694 00:46:29 That's what I love about "august" is,like, it's not a dream.
695 00:46:32 Even though it sort of sounds like it.Like, it feels--
696 00:46:35 The situation feels very close to me.
697 00:46:37 -Like, getting swept up like that.-Yeah.
698 00:46:38 That whole song started with the factthat I had written down in my phone,
699 00:46:42 "Meet me behind the mall" years ago,wanting to write it into a song.
700 00:46:47 ♪ Salt airAnd the rust on your door ♪
701 00:46:53 ♪ I never needed anything more ♪
702 00:46:58 ♪ WhispersOf "Are you sure?" ♪
703 00:47:04 ♪ "Never have I ever before" ♪
704 00:47:08 ♪ But I can see usLost in the memory ♪
705 00:47:11 ♪ August slipped awayInto a moment in time ♪
706 00:47:15 ♪ 'Cause it was never mine ♪
707 00:47:19 ♪ And I can see usTwisted in bedsheets ♪
708 00:47:21 ♪ August sipped awayLike a bottle of wine ♪
709 00:47:26 ♪ Cause you were never mine ♪
710 00:47:30 ♪ Your backBeneath the sun ♪
711 00:47:36 ♪ Wishing I could write my name on it ♪
712 00:47:40 ♪ Will you callWhen you're back at school? ♪
713 00:47:47 ♪ I remember thinking I had you ♪
714 00:47:50 ♪ But I can see usLost in the memory ♪
715 00:47:53 ♪ August slipped awayInto a moment in time ♪
716 00:47:58 ♪ 'Cause it was never mine ♪
717 00:48:01 ♪ And I can see usTwisted in bedsheets ♪
718 00:48:04 ♪ August sipped awayLike a bottle of wine ♪
719 00:48:08 ♪ Cause you were never mine ♪
720 00:48:11 ♪ Oh ♪
721 00:48:23 ♪ Back when we were still changingFor the better ♪
722 00:48:27 ♪ Wanting was enough ♪
723 00:48:29 ♪ For me it was enough ♪
724 00:48:33 ♪ To live for the hope of it all ♪
725 00:48:35 ♪ Cancel plans just in case you'd call ♪
726 00:48:37 ♪ And say"Meet me behind the mall" ♪
727 00:48:40 ♪ So much for summer loveAnd saying "us" ♪
728 00:48:43 ♪ Cause you weren't mine to lose ♪
729 00:48:48 ♪ You weren't mine to lose ♪
730 00:48:52 ♪ No ♪
731 00:48:55 ♪ Cause I can see usLost in the memory ♪
732 00:48:57 ♪ August slipped awayInto a moment in time ♪
733 00:49:02 ♪ 'Cause it was never mine ♪
734 00:49:05 ♪ And I can see usTwisted in bedsheets ♪
735 00:49:08 ♪ August sipped awayLike a bottle of wine ♪
736 00:49:12 ♪ You were never mine, mine ♪
737 00:49:18 ♪ You were never mine ♪
738 00:49:20 ♪ Never mine ♪
739 00:49:24 ♪ Do you remember? ♪
740 00:49:26 ♪ Remember when I pulled upAnd said, "Get in the car" ♪
741 00:49:29 ♪ And then canceled my plansJust in case you'd call ♪
742 00:49:32 ♪ Back when I was livingFor the hope of it all ♪
743 00:49:34 ♪ For the hope of it all ♪
744 00:49:36 ♪ "Meet me behind the mall" ♪
745 00:49:39 ♪ And then I canceled my plansJust in case you'd call ♪
746 00:49:43 ♪ Back when I was livingFor the hope of it all ♪
747 00:49:45 ♪ For the hope of it all ♪
748 00:49:48 ♪ Remember when I pulled upAnd said, "Get in the car" ♪
749 00:49:50 ♪ And then canceled my plansJust in case you'd call ♪
750 00:49:53 ♪ Back when I was livingFor the hope of it all ♪
751 00:49:56 ♪ For the hope of it all ♪
752 00:49:57 ♪ "Meet me behind the mall" ♪
753 00:50:42 [laughs]
754 00:50:47 I loved that.
755 00:50:53 I'd been thinking about addiction,and I'd been thinking about people who,
756 00:50:57 if they're either sufferingthrough mental illness
757 00:50:59 or they're suffering through addictionor they have an everyday struggle.
758 00:51:04 No one pats them on the back every day,
759 00:51:07 but every daythey are actively fighting something.
760 00:51:10 But there are so many daysthat nobody gives them credit for that.
761 00:51:15 -Yeah.-And so,
762 00:51:16 how often must somebodywho's in that sort of internal struggle
763 00:51:20 must wanna say to everyone in the room,
764 00:51:23 "You have no idea how close I amto going back to a dark place,"
765 00:51:29 -or, "You have no idea."-Yeah.
766 00:51:30 "You have no ideahow hard it is to get to the point
767 00:51:33 -where you guys think is still shitty."-Yes.
768 00:51:35 Like, I think about that a lot. Like...
769 00:51:37 The idea of...the idea of doing your best, or trying,
770 00:51:43 is one that only a person knows,and you know when you're doing it.
771 00:51:47 And it's so hard,which is what I get from that song,
772 00:51:50 when you're doing your damn best,and it's not good enough.
773 00:51:53 -Yep.-And it rarely is.
774 00:51:55 -Yeah.-Um...
775 00:51:57 But it's, you know,it's a very isolating feeling
776 00:52:00 which, I think, is funny
777 00:52:02 'cause it actually isthe thing that binds all of us.
778 00:52:04 Cause we're all doing our best and feelinglike it's not even close to good enough.
779 00:52:08 Yeah, I had this ideathat the first verse would be
780 00:52:10 about someonewho is in sort of a life crisis
781 00:52:14 and has just been trying and failing
782 00:52:17 and trying and failingin their relationship,
783 00:52:19 has been messing things upwith the people they love,
784 00:52:22 has been letting everyone down,
785 00:52:24 and kind of has driven to this overlook,this cliff,
786 00:52:27 and is just in the car going,"I could, like...
787 00:52:32 I could do whatever I want in this moment,and it could affect everything forever."
788 00:52:37 But this person backs upand drives home, and--
789 00:52:40 Yeah, I love that. The idea that notdriving off the cliff is an act of trying.
790 00:52:44 Yeah.
791 00:52:44 Which is almostthe ultimate act of trying.
792 00:52:46 Yeah. And thenthe second verse is about...
793 00:52:50 um, you know, someone who felt likethey had a lot of potential in their life.
794 00:52:53 I think there are a lot of mechanismsfor us in our school days,
795 00:52:57 in high school or college, to excel andto be patted on the back for something.
796 00:53:01 And then I think a lot of peopleget out of school
797 00:53:03 and there are less abilitiesfor them to get gold stars.
798 00:53:08 And then you have to make all thesedecisions and pave your own way,
799 00:53:11 and there's no set class courseyou can take, and there's--
800 00:53:14 And, I think a lot of people feelreally swept up in that.
801 00:53:18 And so I was thinking about this personwho is really lost in life
802 00:53:22 and then starts drinkingand every second is trying not to.
803 00:53:28 Yeah.
804 00:53:42 ♪ I've been having a hard time adjusting ♪
805 00:53:46 ♪ I had the shiniest wheelsNow they're rusting ♪
806 00:53:49 ♪ I didn't know if you'd careIf I came back ♪
807 00:53:53 ♪ I have a lot of regrets about that ♪
808 00:53:57 ♪ Pulled the car off the roadTo the lookout ♪
809 00:54:00 ♪ Could've followed my fearsAll the way down ♪
810 00:54:03 ♪ And maybe I don't quite knowWhat to say ♪
811 00:54:07 ♪ But I'm here in your doorway ♪
812 00:54:09 ♪ I just wanted you to knowThat this is me trying ♪
813 00:54:15 ♪ I just wanted you to knowThat this is me trying ♪
814 00:54:38 ♪ They told meAll of my cages were mental ♪
815 00:54:42 ♪ So I got wasted like all my potential ♪
816 00:54:46 ♪ And my words shoot to killWhen I'm mad ♪
817 00:54:49 ♪ I have a lot of regrets about that ♪
818 00:54:53 ♪ I was so ahead of the curveThe curve became a sphere ♪
819 00:54:57 ♪ Fell behind all my classmatesAnd I ended up here ♪
820 00:55:00 ♪ Pouring out my heart to a strangerBut I didn't pour the whiskey ♪
821 00:55:05 ♪ I just wanted you to knowThat this is me trying ♪
822 00:55:11 ♪ I just wanted you to knowThat this is me trying ♪
823 00:55:19 ♪ At least I'm trying ♪
824 00:55:35 ♪ And it's hard to be at a partyWhen I feel like an open wound ♪
825 00:55:39 ♪ It's hard to be anywhere these daysWhen all I want is you ♪
826 00:55:43 ♪ You're a flashback in a film reelOn the one screen in my town ♪
827 00:55:47 ♪ And I just wanted you to knowThat this is me trying ♪
828 00:55:54 ♪ I just wanted you to knowThat this is me trying ♪
829 00:56:02 ♪ At least I'm trying ♪
830 00:56:22 This was the first albumthat I've ever let go of that need
831 00:56:26 to be 100% autobiographical
832 00:56:28 because I think I felt likeI needed to do that,
833 00:56:31 and I felt like fans needed to hear,
834 00:56:34 like, a stripped-from-the-headlinesaccount of my life.
835 00:56:37 And actually,it ended up being a bit confining
836 00:56:40 because there's so much moreto writing songs
837 00:56:44 than just what you're feelingin your singular story line.
838 00:56:48 And this was the first timethat I ever was like--
839 00:56:50 I think it was spurred on by the factthat I was watching movies every day.
840 00:56:54 I was reading books every day.
841 00:56:55 I was thinkingabout other people every day.
842 00:56:57 I was kind of outsideof my own personal stuff.
843 00:57:03 And so I ended up just, like--
844 00:57:05 I think that's been my favorite thingabout this album,
845 00:57:07 is that it's allowed to existon its own merit without it just being,
846 00:57:13 "Oh, people are listening to this
847 00:57:14 because it tells them somethingthat they could read in a tabloid."
848 00:57:18 Interesting.
849 00:57:19 It-- It to me fees like-- it feels likea completely different experience.
850 00:57:30 ♪ Make sure nobody sees you leave ♪
851 00:57:34 ♪ Hood over your headKeep your eyes down ♪
852 00:57:38 ♪ Tell your friends you're out for a run ♪
853 00:57:42 ♪ You'll be flushed when you return ♪
854 00:57:46 ♪ Take the road less traveled by ♪
855 00:57:50 ♪ Tell yourself you can always stop ♪
856 00:57:54 ♪ What started in beautiful rooms ♪
857 00:57:58 ♪ Ends with meetings in parking lots ♪
858 00:58:00 ♪ And that's the thingAbout illicit affairs ♪
859 00:58:04 ♪ And clandestine meetingsAnd longing stares ♪
860 00:58:08 ♪ It's born from just one single glance ♪
861 00:58:12 ♪ But it dies and it dies and it dies ♪
862 00:58:15 ♪ A million little times ♪
863 00:58:26 ♪ Leave the perfume on the shelf ♪
864 00:58:30 ♪ That you picked out just for him ♪
865 00:58:34 ♪ So you leave no trace behind ♪
866 00:58:38 ♪ Like you don't even exist ♪
867 00:58:42 ♪ Take the words for what they are ♪
868 00:58:46 ♪ A dwindling, mercurial high ♪
869 00:58:50 ♪ A drug that only worked ♪
870 00:58:54 ♪ The first few hundred times ♪
871 00:58:56 ♪ And that's the thingAbout illicit affairs ♪
872 00:59:00 ♪ And clandestine meetingsAnd stolen stares ♪
873 00:59:04 ♪ They show their truth one single time ♪
874 00:59:07 ♪ But they lie and they lie and they lie ♪
875 00:59:11 ♪ A million little times ♪
876 00:59:19 ♪ And you wanna scream ♪
877 00:59:20 ♪ Don't call me kidDon't call me baby ♪
878 00:59:24 ♪ Look at this godforsaken messThat you made me ♪
879 00:59:28 ♪ You showed me colors you knowI can't see with anyone else ♪
880 00:59:36 ♪ Don't call me kidDon't call me baby ♪
881 00:59:40 ♪ Look at this idiotic foolThat you made me ♪
882 00:59:44 ♪ You taught me a secret languageI can't speak with anyone else ♪
883 00:59:52 ♪ And you know damn well ♪
884 00:59:55 ♪ For you I would ruin myself ♪
885 00:59:59 ♪ A million little times ♪
886 01:00:16 [Swift] So, "invisible string."
887 01:00:18 When I first heardthe track that you sent me,
888 01:00:20 I thought, "I have to write somethingthat matches it,"
889 01:00:24 and pretty quicklyI came upon the idea of fate.
890 01:00:28 'Cause sometimes I just,you know, go into a rabbit hole
891 01:00:30 of thinking of how things happen,and I kind of love the romantic idea
892 01:00:35 that every step you're taking,
893 01:00:37 you're taking one step closerto where you're supposed to be.
894 01:00:41 You know, guided by this little,like, invisible string. [laughs]
895 01:00:45 I remember when I bought thislittle guitar that has a rubber ridge,
896 01:00:49 which you have one now too,but it has this like--
897 01:00:51 Yeah. You got me one and sent it to me,and it was, like--
898 01:00:54 I couldn't believe opening up this,like, beautiful--
899 01:00:57 Is it a '50s guitar?
900 01:00:58 -It is from the late '50s...-Wow.
901 01:01:01 ...and it's been, like,[stammers] renovated
902 01:01:03 so that the bridge deadens the strings,and it sounds really old.
903 01:01:06 And it just really kind ofwrites songs for you, in a way,
904 01:01:09 -'cause it's so fun to play.-Mm-hmm.
905 01:01:11 And that was the first onethat I wrote with it,
906 01:01:13 and then you wrote this incredible songthat is all about fate,
907 01:01:18 and that was another moment whereI just felt there was this serendipity...
908 01:01:22 happening between us and crazy chemistry.
909 01:01:25 As far as, like--You took exactly what I had written,
910 01:01:29 and it was as though we wrote it togetherin a room, or something.
911 01:01:32 I remembered I wrote itright after I sent an ex a baby gift.
912 01:01:37 [laughs]And I was just like, "Man, life is great."
913 01:01:39 And I just remember thinking thisis a full signifier that life is great.
914 01:01:48 ♪ Green was the color of the grass ♪
915 01:01:50 ♪ Where I used to readIn Centennial Park ♪
916 01:01:53 ♪ I used to thinkI would meet somebody there ♪
917 01:01:59 ♪ Teal was the color of your shirtWhen you were 16 at the yogurt shop ♪
918 01:02:05 ♪ You used to work atTo make a little money ♪
919 01:02:11 ♪ TimeCurious time ♪
920 01:02:13 ♪ Gave me no compassesGave me no signs ♪
921 01:02:16 ♪ Were there clues I didn't see? ♪
922 01:02:23 ♪ And isn't it just so pretty to think ♪
923 01:02:27 ♪ All along there was some ♪
924 01:02:30 ♪ Invisible string ♪
925 01:02:33 ♪ Tying you to me ♪
926 01:02:40 ♪ Ooh ♪
927 01:02:45 ♪ Bad was the blood of the song in the cabOn your first trip to LA ♪
928 01:02:51 ♪ You ate at my favorite spot for dinner ♪
929 01:02:57 ♪ Bold was the waitressOn our three-year-trip ♪
930 01:02:59 ♪ Getting lunch down by the Lakes ♪
931 01:03:02 ♪ She said I looked likeAn American singer ♪
932 01:03:08 ♪ TimeMystical time ♪
933 01:03:11 ♪ Cutting me open, then healing me fine ♪
934 01:03:14 ♪ Were there clues I didn't see? ♪
935 01:03:20 ♪ And isn't it just so pretty to think ♪
936 01:03:24 ♪ All along there was some ♪
937 01:03:27 ♪ Invisible string ♪
938 01:03:31 ♪ Tying you to me ♪
939 01:03:37 ♪ Ooh ♪
940 01:03:41 ♪ String that pulled meOut of all the wrong arms ♪
941 01:03:46 ♪ Right into that dive bar ♪
942 01:03:50 ♪ Something wrappedAll of my past mistakes in barbed wire ♪
943 01:03:56 ♪ Chains around my demons ♪
944 01:03:59 ♪ Wool to brave the seasons ♪
945 01:04:02 ♪ One single thread of goldTied me to you ♪
946 01:04:17 ♪ Cold was the steel of my ax to grindFor the boys who broke my heart ♪
947 01:04:23 ♪ Now I send their babies presents ♪
948 01:04:29 ♪ Gold was the color of the leavesWhen I showed you around Centennial Park ♪
949 01:04:35 ♪ Hell was the journeyBut it brought me heaven ♪
950 01:04:40 ♪ TimeWondrous time ♪
951 01:04:42 ♪ Gave me the bluesAnd then purple-pink skies ♪
952 01:04:46 ♪ And it's coolBaby, with me ♪
953 01:04:53 ♪ And isn't it just so pretty to think ♪
954 01:04:56 ♪ All along there was some ♪
955 01:04:59 ♪ Invisible string ♪
956 01:05:02 ♪ Tying you to me ♪
957 01:05:09 ♪ Ooh ♪
958 01:05:15 [vocalizing]
959 01:05:21 ♪ Ooh ♪
960 01:05:26 ♪ Oh ♪
961 01:05:29 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪
962 01:05:31 ♪ Ooh ♪
963 01:05:35 ♪ Oh, whoa ♪
964 01:05:55 [Swift] "mad woman."
965 01:05:57 The first time I heardthat piano thing you had written,
966 01:06:00 I just felt like-- It's got thesesort of ominous strings underneath it.
967 01:06:04 And I was like, "Oh, this is female rage."
968 01:06:06 Like, "This is a song about female rage.It has to be."
969 01:06:09 Like, "I have to figure outhow to make this about female rage."
970 01:06:13 And then I was thinking...
971 01:06:15 the most rage-provoking elementof being a female
972 01:06:18 is the gaslighting that happens when,
973 01:06:22 you know, for centuries we've beenexpected to absorb male behavior silently.
974 01:06:28 Right? Silent absorptionof whatever any guy decides to do.
975 01:06:33 And, oftentimes when we,in our enlightened state
976 01:06:38 and our emboldened state, now,respond to bad male behavior
977 01:06:43 or somebody just doing somethingthat was absolutely out of line,
978 01:06:47 and we respond,
979 01:06:49 that response is treatedlike the offense itself.
980 01:06:52 Yeah.
981 01:06:53 You know, there's been situations with--
982 01:06:55 recently, with somebodywho's very guilty of this in my life,
983 01:06:59 and it's a person who makes me feel,
984 01:07:01 or tries to make me feel,like I'm the offender
985 01:07:05 by having any kind of defenseto his offenses.
986 01:07:08 It's like, "Oh, I have absolutely no rightto respond or I'm crazy.
987 01:07:12 I have no right to respond or I'm angry.
988 01:07:15 I have no right to respondor I'm out of line."
989 01:07:18 So you were providing the musical bedfor me to make that point
990 01:07:21 that I've been trying so hardto figure out.
991 01:07:24 How do I say that--How do I say why this feels so bad?
992 01:07:33 ♪ What did you think I'd say to that? ♪
993 01:07:36 ♪ Does a scorpion stingWhen fighting back? ♪
994 01:07:39 ♪ They strike to killAnd you know I will ♪
995 01:07:46 ♪ You know I will ♪
996 01:07:53 ♪ What do you sing on your drive home? ♪
997 01:07:57 ♪ Do you see my faceIn the neighbor's lawn? ♪
998 01:08:00 ♪ Does she smile ♪
999 01:08:02 ♪ Or does she mouth "**** you forever"? ♪
1000 01:08:07 ♪ Every time you call me crazyI get more crazy ♪
1001 01:08:11 ♪ What about that? ♪
1002 01:08:14 ♪ And when you say I seem angryI get more angry ♪
1003 01:08:19 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪
1004 01:08:22 ♪ What a shame she went mad ♪
1005 01:08:26 ♪ No one likes a mad woman ♪
1006 01:08:29 ♪ You made her like that ♪
1007 01:08:33 ♪ And you'll poke that bearTill her claws come out ♪
1008 01:08:36 ♪ And you find somethingTo wrap your noose around ♪
1009 01:08:41 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪
1010 01:09:01 ♪ Now I breathe flames each time I talk ♪
1011 01:09:04 ♪ My cannons all firin' at your yacht ♪
1012 01:09:07 ♪ They say, "Move on"But you know I won't ♪
1013 01:09:14 ♪ And women like hunting witches too ♪
1014 01:09:18 ♪ Doing your dirtiest work for you ♪
1015 01:09:21 ♪ It's obvious that wanting me deadHas really brought you two together ♪
1016 01:09:28 ♪ Every time you call me crazyI get more crazy ♪
1017 01:09:32 ♪ What about that? ♪
1018 01:09:35 ♪ And when you say I seem angryI get more angry ♪
1019 01:09:40 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪
1020 01:09:44 ♪ What a shame she went mad ♪
1021 01:09:47 ♪ No one likes a mad woman ♪
1022 01:09:50 ♪ You made her like that ♪
1023 01:09:54 ♪ And you'll poke that bearTill her claws come out ♪
1024 01:09:57 ♪ And you find somethingTo wrap your noose around ♪
1025 01:10:02 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪
1026 01:10:09 ♪ I'm taking my timeTaking my time ♪
1027 01:10:13 ♪ Cause you took everything from me ♪
1028 01:10:16 ♪ Watching you climbWatching you climb ♪
1029 01:10:19 ♪ Over people like me ♪
1030 01:10:23 ♪ The master of spinHas a couple side flings ♪
1031 01:10:26 ♪ Good wives always know ♪
1032 01:10:29 ♪ She should be madShould be scathing like me ♪
1033 01:10:33 ♪ But no one likes a mad woman ♪
1034 01:10:39 ♪ What a shame she went mad ♪
1035 01:10:46 ♪ You made her like that ♪
1036 01:11:17 I think I really felt like there should bea string moment on the album
1037 01:11:21 because we were towards the end of it,and it was all very piano and acoustic.
1038 01:11:26 And you're so goodwith string arrangements,
1039 01:11:28 and, you know, Bryce is--I mean, a genius.
1040 01:11:32 And I kinda felt likethere should be a moment where
1041 01:11:36 there's a songthat was unlike anything I'd done before
1042 01:11:40 and could really exercise that musclethat I know that you have.
1043 01:11:44 And I couldn't-- When I heard it,I remember thinking,
1044 01:11:47 "Maybe I wanna tell a sports story."[chuckles]
1045 01:11:50 'Cause I had just watchedThe Last Dance, and I was...
1046 01:11:55 and I was thinking all in terms of sports
1047 01:11:57 and winners and underdogsand things like that, but actually,
1048 01:12:01 what I had been doing really frequently
1049 01:12:05 up until that point was I had been doinga lot of research on my grandfather
1050 01:12:09 who fought in World War II at Guadalcanal.
1051 01:12:12 Which was an extremely bloody battle,
1052 01:12:16 and, you know, he never talked about it.
1053 01:12:20 Not with his sons, not with his wife.
1054 01:12:24 Nobody got to hearabout what happened there.
1055 01:12:26 And so, my dad had to doa lot of research,
1056 01:12:29 and he and his brothersdid a lot of digging
1057 01:12:32 and found out that my granddad was exposed
1058 01:12:36 -to some of the worst situations...-Fighting, yeah.
1059 01:12:38 ...you could ever imagineas a human being.
1060 01:12:40 And so, I kind of tried to imaginewhat would happen
1061 01:12:44 in order to make you just neverbe able to speak about something.
1062 01:12:47 When I was thinking about that,I realized that...
1063 01:12:51 that there are people, right now,you know,
1064 01:12:55 taking a twenty-minute breakin between shifts at a hospital,
1065 01:13:00 who are having this kindof trauma happen to them right now,
1066 01:13:03 that they will probablynever want to speak about.
1067 01:13:06 You know?
1068 01:13:07 And so, I just kind of thought, like,
1069 01:13:09 this is an opportunityto maybe tell that story.
1070 01:13:15 The way you weave that together,
1071 01:13:17 where there's remembrance
1072 01:13:19 and bearing witnessto your family's history,
1073 01:13:22 but then recognitionof who the heroes are today.
1074 01:13:26 It's so moving. And I tried--
1075 01:13:28 The sense of harmony in that songis really different than other songs.
1076 01:13:31 And again, it was as thoughwe did it in the same room
1077 01:13:34 -and worked out the chords and everything.-Yeah.
1078 01:13:36 And how you sing to itfeels different than any other song.
1079 01:13:39 It was another moment where it just feltlike I was just thankful to be a musician.
1080 01:13:43 Or like, "This is why I play music."You know, something like--
1081 01:13:46 Yeah, I felt that way with this song too,
1082 01:13:47 where it was just like, "How did thisslot into place and come together?"
1083 01:13:51 I often feel with this album,
1084 01:13:53 there have been times in my life wherethings have fallen apart so methodically,
1085 01:13:58 um, and I couldn't controlhow things were going wrong,
1086 01:14:01 and nothing I did stopped it.
1087 01:14:03 And I felt like I'd just just beenpushed out of a plane
1088 01:14:05 and was, like,scratching at the air on the way down,
1089 01:14:07 and I felt like the universeis just doing its thing.
1090 01:14:10 It's just dismantling my life,and there's nothing I can do.
1091 01:14:15 And this is a weird situation where eversince I started making music with you,
1092 01:14:18 I felt like that was the universe forcingthings to fall into place perfectly,
1093 01:14:24 -and there was nothing I could do.-Yeah.
1094 01:14:26 It's one of those weird thingsthat makes you think about life a lot,
1095 01:14:30 where this lockdown could've been a timewhere I absolutely lost my mind,
1096 01:14:35 and instead I think this album wasa real floatation device for both of us.
1097 01:14:50 ♪ Keep your helmet ♪
1098 01:14:55 ♪ Keep your life, son ♪
1099 01:15:00 ♪ Just a flesh wound ♪
1100 01:15:05 ♪ Here's your rifle ♪
1101 01:15:13 ♪ Crawling off the beaches now ♪
1102 01:15:18 ♪ Sir, I think he's bleedin' out ♪
1103 01:15:23 ♪ And some thingsYou just can't speak about ♪
1104 01:15:31 ♪ With you I serve ♪
1105 01:15:33 ♪ With you I fall down ♪
1106 01:15:37 ♪ Down ♪
1107 01:15:41 ♪ Watch you breathe in ♪
1108 01:15:43 ♪ Watch you breathin' out ♪
1109 01:15:48 ♪ Out ♪
1110 01:15:52 ♪ Something med school ♪
1111 01:15:57 ♪ Did not cover ♪
1112 01:16:01 ♪ Someone's daughter ♪
1113 01:16:07 ♪ Someone's motherOh ♪
1114 01:16:15 ♪ Holds your hand through plastic now ♪
1115 01:16:20 ♪ Doc, I think she's crashing out ♪
1116 01:16:24 ♪ And some thingsYou just can't speak about ♪
1117 01:16:53 ♪ Only 20 minutes to sleep ♪
1118 01:16:56 ♪ But you dream of some epiphany ♪
1119 01:17:02 ♪ Just one single glimpse of relief ♪
1120 01:17:06 ♪ To make some sense of what you've seen ♪
1121 01:17:13 ♪ With you, I serve ♪
1122 01:17:15 ♪ With you, I fall down ♪
1123 01:17:20 ♪ Down ♪
1124 01:17:23 ♪ Watch you breathe in ♪
1125 01:17:25 ♪ Watch you breathing out ♪
1126 01:17:30 ♪ Out ♪
1127 01:17:34 ♪ With you, I serve ♪
1128 01:17:36 ♪ With you, I fall down ♪
1129 01:17:40 ♪ Down ♪
1130 01:17:44 ♪ Watch you breathe in ♪
1131 01:17:46 ♪ Watch you breathing out ♪
1132 01:17:50 ♪ Out ♪
1133 01:17:54 ♪ Only 20 minutes to sleep ♪
1134 01:17:57 ♪ But you dream of some epiphany ♪
1135 01:18:04 ♪ Just one single glimpse of relief ♪
1136 01:18:07 ♪ To make some sense of what you've seen ♪
1137 01:18:10 ♪ Make sense of what you've seen ♪
1138 01:18:53 One of my favorite thingsabout this record is the fact that
1139 01:18:56 there's this trilogy of three.
1140 01:18:58 The trinity of "betty," "august"and "cardigan" are all, like...
1141 01:19:04 We made "august" together.We made "cardigan" together.
1142 01:19:07 -We all three made "betty" together.-[Antonoff] It's perfect.
1143 01:19:10 And "betty" was-- I just heard Joe singing
1144 01:19:13 the entire fully formed chorus of "betty"from another room.
1145 01:19:18 [Antonoff] Yeah.
1146 01:19:19 And I just was like, "Hello."
1147 01:19:21 You're like, "I do this professionally."
1148 01:19:23 -Hello.-"I'd love to have a conversation."
1149 01:19:25 It was a step thatwe would never have taken
1150 01:19:27 because why would we haveever written a song together?
1151 01:19:31 I thought you were doing a bit whenyou were like, "Joe and I wrote a song."
1152 01:19:34 Then I was like, "What?"I thought it was gonna be, like,
1153 01:19:36 you know, people write cute songsabout their animals, in relationships.
1154 01:19:39 And then you're like,"No, no, we wrote a real song"
1155 01:19:41 and I was like, "What?"Then you sent it to me, I was like...
1156 01:19:44 So this was the first timewe had a conversation,
1157 01:19:46 where I came in and I was like, "Hey,
1158 01:19:49 this could be really weird,and we could hate this,
1159 01:19:53 so because we're in quarantineand there's nothing else going on,
1160 01:19:58 could we just try to see what it's likeif we write this song together?"
1161 01:20:01 So, he was singing the chorus of it,and I thought it sounded really good
1162 01:20:05 from a man's voice,from a masculine perspective.
1163 01:20:09 And I really liked thatit seems to be an apology.
1164 01:20:12 And I've written so many songsfrom a female's perspective
1165 01:20:15 of wanting a male apology
1166 01:20:17 that we decided to make itfrom a teenage boy's perspective
1167 01:20:21 apologizing after he losesthe love of his life
1168 01:20:23 because he's been foolish.
1169 01:20:26 Allegedly.
1170 01:20:28 No, he's been foolish.
1171 01:20:29 No, according to the Internet,we don't know what it's about.
1172 01:20:31 -He's been foolish.-No, I mean--
1173 01:20:32 We wrote it. I'm confirming.He's been foolish. He was a fool.
1174 01:20:35 I don't know who William Bowery is,so yeah, okay.
1175 01:20:47 ♪ Betty, I won't make assumptionsAbout why you switched your homeroom ♪
1176 01:20:52 ♪ But I think it's 'cause of me ♪
1177 01:20:56 ♪ Betty, one time I was ridingOn my skateboard ♪
1178 01:21:00 ♪ When I passed your house ♪
1179 01:21:02 ♪ It's like I couldn't breathe ♪
1180 01:21:06 ♪ You heard the rumors from Inez ♪
1181 01:21:09 ♪ You can't believe a word she saysMost times ♪
1182 01:21:12 ♪ But this time it was true ♪
1183 01:21:15 ♪ The worst thing that I ever did ♪
1184 01:21:20 ♪ Was what I did to you ♪
1185 01:21:27 ♪ But if I just showed up at your party ♪
1186 01:21:30 ♪ Would you have me?Would you want me? ♪
1187 01:21:33 ♪ Would you tell me to go **** myselfOr lead me to the garden? ♪
1188 01:21:38 ♪ In the garden, would you trust me ♪
1189 01:21:40 ♪ If I told youIt was just a summer thing? ♪
1190 01:21:44 ♪ I'm only 17I don't know anything ♪
1191 01:21:47 ♪ But I know I miss you ♪
1192 01:21:59 ♪ Betty, I know where it all went wrong ♪
1193 01:22:02 ♪ Your favorite song was playingFrom the far side of the gym ♪
1194 01:22:09 ♪ I was nowhere to be found ♪
1195 01:22:11 ♪ I hate the crowdsYou know that ♪
1196 01:22:14 ♪ Plus, I saw you dance with him ♪
1197 01:22:19 ♪ You heard the rumors from Inez ♪
1198 01:22:21 ♪ You can't believe a word she saysMost times ♪
1199 01:22:25 ♪ But this time it was true ♪
1200 01:22:28 ♪ The worst thing that I ever did ♪
1201 01:22:33 ♪ Was what I did to you ♪
1202 01:22:40 ♪ But if I just showed up at your party ♪
1203 01:22:43 ♪ Would you have me?Would you want me? ♪
1204 01:22:45 ♪ Would you tell me to go **** myselfOr lead me to the garden? ♪
1205 01:22:50 ♪ In the garden, would you trust me ♪
1206 01:22:53 ♪ If I told youIt was just a summer thing? ♪
1207 01:22:56 ♪ I'm only 17I don't know anything ♪
1208 01:23:00 ♪ But I know I miss you ♪
1209 01:23:11 ♪ I was walking homeOn broken cobblestones ♪
1210 01:23:15 ♪ Just thinking of you ♪
1211 01:23:17 ♪ When she pulled upLike a figment of my worst intentions ♪
1212 01:23:21 ♪ She said, "James, get in, let's drive" ♪
1213 01:23:24 ♪ Those days turned into nights ♪
1214 01:23:26 ♪ Slept next to herBut I dreamt of you all summer long ♪
1215 01:23:49 ♪ Betty, I'm here on your doorstep ♪
1216 01:23:52 ♪ And I planned it out for weeks nowBut it's finally sinking in ♪
1217 01:23:58 ♪ Betty, right now is the last time ♪
1218 01:24:02 ♪ I can dream about what happensWhen you see my face again ♪
1219 01:24:08 ♪ The only thing I wanna do ♪
1220 01:24:13 ♪ Is make it up to you ♪
1221 01:24:20 ♪ So, I showed up at your party ♪
1222 01:24:30 ♪ Yeah, I showed up at your party ♪
1223 01:24:40 ♪ Yeah, I showed up at your party ♪
1224 01:24:43 ♪ Will you have me?Will you love me? ♪
1225 01:24:45 ♪ Will you kiss me on the porchIn front of all your stupid friends? ♪
1226 01:24:50 ♪ If you kiss meWill it be just like I dreamed it? ♪
1227 01:24:54 ♪ Will it patch your broken wings? ♪
1228 01:24:56 ♪ I'm only 17I don't know anything ♪
1229 01:25:00 ♪ But I know I miss you ♪
1230 01:25:05 ♪ Standing in your cardigan ♪
1231 01:25:10 ♪ Kissing in my car again ♪
1232 01:25:14 ♪ Stopped at a streetlight ♪
1233 01:25:15 ♪ You know I miss you ♪
1234 01:25:28 With the song "peace,"uh, when you sent me this instrumental,
1235 01:25:33 the first word that I thought of
1236 01:25:35 was this is what peace sounds like.
1237 01:25:37 It's got this, you know,this amazing bass line
1238 01:25:41 that just made me feel like,"This is serenity. This is peace."
1239 01:25:44 And then I was thinking,maybe you just start with the obvious
1240 01:25:48 and think about how that could be toldin an interesting way
1241 01:25:52 that kind of goes against the title.
1242 01:25:55 Like, "I could never give you peace,"
1243 01:25:58 over the most peaceful soundinginstrumental track.
1244 01:26:02 Yeah. That's why I sent it to you'cause you kinda said,
1245 01:26:04 "Send me everything, includingthe most off-the-wall idea you have,"
1246 01:26:08 um, and then you were ableto write a song,
1247 01:26:13 which, not only does it, like,have such a beautiful--
1248 01:26:18 It's just such a beautiful love songin recognition of the kind of, like, uh...
1249 01:26:24 insecurity in any relationshipthat, like, "Will this actually...
1250 01:26:28 Will I be able to give you peace?Will you be at rest with me,
1251 01:26:31 even though, you know, whatever comes?"
1252 01:26:35 -Yeah.-Um, but you also trace the bridge.
1253 01:26:37 When I heard the bridge,
1254 01:26:39 and that you traced all the weird timingand weird chord changes,
1255 01:26:43 it just felt like,"Okay, we can do anything.
1256 01:26:45 We might be able to do anything,"or something. You know, this is a--
1257 01:26:48 Like, it pushed the collaboration forwardat that moment.
1258 01:26:52 Where I was like, "Okay, so thisis a weird race. Let's just--" [whooshes]
1259 01:26:56 Yeah. I think this is a songthat's extremely personal to me
1260 01:27:00 because there are times when I feel like,
1261 01:27:04 with everything that's in my control,
1262 01:27:06 I can make myself seem like someonewho doesn't have an abnormal life.
1263 01:27:12 And I try that every day.
1264 01:27:14 Every day it's like,"How do I make myself,
1265 01:27:17 among my friends and familyand my loved ones,
1266 01:27:19 not see this big elephantthat's in the room for a normal life?"
1267 01:27:24 Because I don't wantthe elephant in the room.
1268 01:27:26 -Yeah.-You know?
1269 01:27:27 If you're gonna be in my life,I feel like there's a certain amount
1270 01:27:30 that comes with itthat I can't stop from happening.
1271 01:27:33 I can't stop from you getting a callin the morning that says, you know,
1272 01:27:37 the tabloids are writing this today.
1273 01:27:40 I can't help it if there's a guywith a long lens camera
1274 01:27:45 two miles away with a telescope lenstaking pictures of you.
1275 01:27:49 I can't stop those things from happening.
1276 01:27:51 And so, this song was basically,like, is it enough?
1277 01:27:55 Is the stuff that I can control enough
1278 01:28:00 to sort of block outthe things that I can't?
1279 01:28:05 -Yeah.-Um...
1280 01:28:06 So, it makes me really, like,really emotional to hear this song
1281 01:28:10 and to knowthat a lot of people related to it
1282 01:28:13 who aren't talking about the same thingsthat I'm talking about.
1283 01:28:17 They're talking about human complexity.
1284 01:28:20 Yeah. I love that about the recordin general and this song specifically.
1285 01:28:24 'Cause to me, it's about--
1286 01:28:26 I have, in my life,suffered from depression,
1287 01:28:29 and I'm a hard personto be in a relationship with
1288 01:28:32 or be married to because I go up and down.
1289 01:28:35 And I can't help it. It's a chemical thingthat happens sometimes.
1290 01:28:39 And music is a wayof dealing with that for me.
1291 01:28:42 Um, and just somehow the song capturesthe fragility of what that's like
1292 01:28:48 to be in a relationship with someonewho may or may not have peace
1293 01:28:52 or may--But that's, again, my interpretation.
1294 01:28:54 And someone whoyou would wanna provide with peace.
1295 01:28:56 -Yeah.-You know, someone that you love,
1296 01:28:57 so you want them to haveas much peace in their life as possible
1297 01:29:01 and reconciling the fact that you mightnot be their best option for that,
1298 01:29:06 -but is it still a deal they wanna take?-Yeah.
1299 01:29:27 ♪ Our coming-of-age has come and gone ♪
1300 01:29:31 ♪ Suddenly this summer it's clear ♪
1301 01:29:34 ♪ I never had the courageOf my convictions ♪
1302 01:29:37 ♪ As long as danger is near ♪
1303 01:29:40 ♪ And it's just around the cornerDarling ♪
1304 01:29:44 ♪ 'Cause it lives in me ♪
1305 01:29:47 ♪ No, I could never give you peace ♪
1306 01:29:59 ♪ But I'm a fireAnd I'll keep your brittle heart warm ♪
1307 01:30:02 ♪ If your cascade ocean wave blues come ♪
1308 01:30:05 ♪ All these people think love's for show ♪
1309 01:30:08 ♪ But I would die for you in secret ♪
1310 01:30:11 ♪ The devil's in the detailsBut you got a friend in me ♪
1311 01:30:17 ♪ Would it be enoughIf I could never give you peace? ♪
1312 01:30:25 ♪ Your integrity makes me seem small ♪
1313 01:30:28 ♪ You paint dreamscapes on the wall ♪
1314 01:30:32 ♪ I talk shit with my friends ♪
1315 01:30:34 ♪ It's like I'm wasting your honor ♪
1316 01:30:47 ♪ And you know that I'd ♪
1317 01:30:52 ♪ Swing with you for the fences ♪
1318 01:30:55 ♪ Sit with you in the trenches ♪
1319 01:30:59 ♪ Give you my wild ♪
1320 01:31:00 ♪ Give you a child ♪
1321 01:31:03 ♪ Give you the silence that only comesWhen two people understand each other ♪
1322 01:31:07 ♪ Family that I chose now thatI see your brother as my brother ♪
1323 01:31:12 ♪ Is it enough? ♪
1324 01:31:16 ♪ Cause there's robbers to the eastClowns to the west ♪
1325 01:31:19 ♪ I'd give you my sunshineGive you my best ♪
1326 01:31:23 ♪ But the rain is always gonna comeIf you're standing with me ♪
1327 01:31:33 ♪ But I'm a fireAnd I'll keep your brittle heart warm ♪
1328 01:31:36 ♪ If your cascade ocean wave blues come ♪
1329 01:31:39 ♪ All these people think love's for show ♪
1330 01:31:41 ♪ But I would die for you in secret ♪
1331 01:31:44 ♪ The devil's in the detailsBut you got a friend in me ♪
1332 01:31:51 ♪ Would it be enoughIf I could never give you peace? ♪
1333 01:31:58 ♪ Would it be enoughIf I could never give you peace? ♪
1334 01:32:04 ♪ Would it be enoughIf I could never give you peace? ♪
1335 01:32:27 Okay, the word hoaxis another word that I love
1336 01:32:29 'cause I love that it has an "x,"and I love the way that it looks,
1337 01:32:32 and I love the way it sounds.
1338 01:32:34 I think with this song beingthe last song on the album,
1339 01:32:37 it kind of embodied all the thingsthat this album was thematically.
1340 01:32:42 Like confessions, um,incorporating nature,
1341 01:32:47 emotional volatilityand ambiguity at the same time,
1342 01:32:50 sort of love that isn't just easy.
1343 01:32:54 And it's the most symbolic, poetic thing
1344 01:32:58 listing all these thingsthat this person is to you.
1345 01:33:02 And I remember I asked youfor advice on this one.
1346 01:33:04 You did. I think you didn't-- I think...
1347 01:33:06 Like, to you it meant different things,
1348 01:33:08 and that was a momentof, like, doubt or something.
1349 01:33:10 And I said-- I think I said,
1350 01:33:13 "What if not all of these feelingsare about the same person?
1351 01:33:17 What if I'm writing about severaldifferent, very fractured situations?"
1352 01:33:22 Like, one is about love,
1353 01:33:24 and one is about a business thingthat really hurt,
1354 01:33:28 and one is about a sort of relationshipthat I consider to be family,
1355 01:33:31 but that really hurt.
1356 01:33:33 Yeah, and I remember--
1357 01:33:34 -This is one of the moments---You referenced Matt.
1358 01:33:36 Yeah. When Matt, you know,The National and Matt Berninger--
1359 01:33:39 Often songs are about more than one thingor many sides of a coin.
1360 01:33:44 And I just love that,and I kind of thought,
1361 01:33:46 "This is-- This feels different,and it also feels--"
1362 01:33:49 Um, I kinda like the factthat you weren't totally sure.
1363 01:33:53 I definitely had the moment of doubt.
1364 01:33:54 I had the moment of like,"I don't usually do this.
1365 01:33:57 I usually know exactlywhat I'm writing about."
1366 01:33:59 Um, and I was really happy whenyou kinda pushed me forward like,
1367 01:34:04 "Nope, do the thingthat makes you uncomfortable."
1368 01:34:06 Because I think that's what makes ita song that really, to me, stands out.
1369 01:34:09 That line about, "you know it still hurtsunderneath my scars
1370 01:34:13 from when they pulled me apart."Anyone in my life knows
1371 01:34:15 -what I'm singing about there, but it---"But what you did was just as dark."
1372 01:34:18 Everybody has that situation in their life
1373 01:34:21 where it's, like, you let someone inand they get to know you,
1374 01:34:23 and they know exactly what buttonsto push to hurt you the most.
1375 01:34:26 Yeah.
1376 01:34:27 That thing where the scar healed over,but it's still painful.
1377 01:34:30 They still have phantom pain.
1378 01:34:32 Yeah.
1379 01:34:33 I think the partthat sounds like love to me is,
1380 01:34:36 "Don't want no othershade of blue but you.
1381 01:34:38 No other sadness in the world would do."
1382 01:34:40 It sounds like-- To me,that sounds like what love really is.
1383 01:34:43 Like, "Who would you be sad with?
1384 01:34:45 And who would you deal withwhen they were sad?"
1385 01:34:47 And like, "Gray skies every dayfor months, would you still stay?"
1386 01:34:52 Yeah.
1387 01:34:53 One, two. One...
1388 01:34:57 ♪ My only one ♪
1389 01:35:00 ♪ My smoking gun ♪
1390 01:35:05 ♪ My eclipsed sun ♪
1391 01:35:07 ♪ This has broken me down ♪
1392 01:35:13 ♪ My twisted knife ♪
1393 01:35:16 ♪ My sleepless night ♪
1394 01:35:21 ♪ My winless fight ♪
1395 01:35:24 ♪ This has frozen my ground ♪
1396 01:35:29 ♪ Stood on the cliffside ♪
1397 01:35:32 ♪ Screaming, "Give me a reason" ♪
1398 01:35:38 ♪ Your faithless love's the only hoaxI believe in ♪
1399 01:35:46 ♪ Don't want no other shade of blueBut you ♪
1400 01:35:54 ♪ No other sadness in the world would do ♪
1401 01:36:01 ♪ My best laid plan ♪
1402 01:36:05 ♪ Your sleight of hand ♪
1403 01:36:09 ♪ My barren land ♪
1404 01:36:12 ♪ I am ash from your fire ♪
1405 01:36:17 ♪ Stood on the cliffside ♪
1406 01:36:20 ♪ Screaming, "Give me a reason" ♪
1407 01:36:26 ♪ Your faithless love's the only hoaxI believe in ♪
1408 01:36:34 ♪ Don't want no other shade of blueBut you ♪
1409 01:36:42 ♪ No other sadness in the world would do ♪
1410 01:36:51 ♪ You know I left a part of meBack in New York ♪
1411 01:36:55 ♪ You knew the hero diedSo what's the movie for ♪
1412 01:36:59 ♪ You knew it still hurtsUnderneath my scars ♪
1413 01:37:02 ♪ From when they pulled me apart ♪
1414 01:37:07 ♪ You knew the passwordSo I let you in the door ♪
1415 01:37:11 ♪ You knew you wonSo what's the point of keeping score? ♪
1416 01:37:15 ♪ You knew it still hurtsUnderneath my scars ♪
1417 01:37:19 ♪ From when they pulled me apart ♪
1418 01:37:20 ♪ But what you did was just as dark ♪
1419 01:37:28 ♪ Darling, this was just as hardAs when they pulled me apart ♪
1420 01:37:38 ♪ My only one ♪
1421 01:37:42 ♪ My kingdom come undone ♪
1422 01:37:46 ♪ My broken drum ♪
1423 01:37:48 ♪ You have beaten my heart ♪
1424 01:37:55 ♪ Don't want no other shade of blueBut you ♪
1425 01:38:03 ♪ No other sadness in the world would do ♪
1426 01:38:33 I think "the lakes" sort of soundslike a testament
1427 01:38:36 of what I've wanted to escape from
1428 01:38:40 and where I saw myself escaping.
1429 01:38:42 Um, we'd gone to the Lake Districtin England, uh, a couple years ago.
1430 01:38:46 What is the Lake District?
1431 01:38:48 It's in England, and, you know,in the 19th century,
1432 01:38:51 you had a lot of poetslike William Wordsworth,
1433 01:38:54 and John Keats would spenda lot of time there.
1434 01:38:57 There was a poet district,these artists that moved there,
1435 01:39:01 and they were kind of heckled for itand made fun of for it
1436 01:39:05 as being these eccentricsand these kind of odd, um, odd artists
1437 01:39:10 who decided thatthey just wanted to live there.
1438 01:39:13 And I remembered when we went, I thought,
1439 01:39:16 "Man, I could see this.
1440 01:39:20 You know, you live in a cottage,
1441 01:39:21 and you've got wisteria growing upthe outside of it,
1442 01:39:24 and you just-- [stammers]
1443 01:39:27 Of course they escaped like that.Of course they would do that."
1444 01:39:30 And they had their own community ofother artists who had done the same thing.
1445 01:39:34 And then, I've always, in my career,since I was probably about 20,
1446 01:39:39 written about this sort ofcottage backup plan that I have.
1447 01:39:42 -You've been writing about that forever.-I've been writing about it forever.
1448 01:39:45 You've been writing aboutgetting out forever.
1449 01:39:47 Yeah. So "the lakes"is really talking a lot about
1450 01:39:50 relating to people who,hundreds of years ago,
1451 01:39:52 had the same exit plan and did it.And they went and did it.
1452 01:39:56 I went to William Wordsworth's grave
1453 01:39:59 and just sat there, and I was like,"Wow, you went and did it."
1454 01:40:03 -Yeah.-"You just did it.
1455 01:40:04 You just went away, and you kept writing,
1456 01:40:07 but you didn't subscribe to the thingsthat were killing you."
1457 01:40:09 [stammers] You left those things behindin a real way.
1458 01:40:13 And that's reallythe overarching thing that I felt
1459 01:40:17 when I was writing folklore is,
1460 01:40:19 I may not be able to goto the Lakes right now,
1461 01:40:22 or to go anywhere,but I'm going there in my head,
1462 01:40:26 -and this escape plan is working.-Well, you have your version of it.
1463 01:40:28 That, to me, is the hopein this body of work is that
1464 01:40:32 it's not, "I can't do this. I'm out."
1465 01:40:34 It's, "I've found somethingworth escaping with."
1466 01:40:37 -And a person to escape with.-And a person.
1467 01:40:39 And, to me, that's a huge,sincere statement of hope
1468 01:40:43 that everything I'm namingis completely small compared to this love.
1469 01:40:47 Yeah, it's the perfect--
1470 01:40:49 I thought it would be the perfect wayto slot the last puzzle piece in,
1471 01:40:54 right when people least expected it.
1472 01:40:56 Yeah.
1473 01:40:57 Um, because "hoax" as the ending songfor the record,
1474 01:41:01 I thought was interestingfor a couple weeks,
1475 01:41:04 but then I wanted to actually come inwith the real last song of the record,
1476 01:41:08 which is this song that-- "the lakes,"which shows you exactly what--
1477 01:41:13 It kinda is the overarching themeof the whole album,
1478 01:41:16 of trying to escape,having something you wanna protect,
1479 01:41:21 trying to protect your own sanity,
1480 01:41:23 and saying, "Look, they did thishundreds of years ago.
1481 01:41:27 I'm not the first personwho's felt this way. They did this."
1482 01:41:30 It's a really potent statement right now.
1483 01:41:32 I think the idea of getting awayand figuring out
1484 01:41:35 how to remove the thingsthat are not working in one's life
1485 01:41:39 is the story of this time.
1486 01:41:41 -Yeah.-If you're not thinking about that,
1487 01:41:43 I don't know what you're thinking about.
1488 01:41:50 ♪ Is it romantic how all my elegies ♪
1489 01:41:57 ♪ Eulogize me? ♪
1490 01:42:01 ♪ I'm not cut outFor all these cynical clones ♪
1491 01:42:08 ♪ These hunters with cell phones ♪
1492 01:42:11 ♪ Take me to the LakesWhere all the poets went to die ♪
1493 01:42:15 ♪ I don't belong ♪
1494 01:42:17 ♪ And, my beloved, neither do you ♪
1495 01:42:22 ♪ Those Windermere peaksLook like a perfect place to cry ♪
1496 01:42:26 ♪ I'm setting offBut not without my muse ♪
1497 01:42:33 ♪ What should be over ♪
1498 01:42:36 ♪ Burrowed under my skin ♪
1499 01:42:40 ♪ In heart-stopping waves of hurt ♪
1500 01:42:43 ♪ I've come too farTo watch some name-dropping sleaze ♪
1501 01:42:50 ♪ Tell me what are my words worth ♪
1502 01:42:54 ♪ Take me to the LakesWhere all the poets went to die ♪
1503 01:42:58 ♪ I don't belong ♪
1504 01:43:00 ♪ And, my beloved, neither do you ♪
1505 01:43:05 ♪ Those Windermere peaksLook like a perfect place to cry ♪
1506 01:43:08 ♪ I'm setting offBut not without my muse ♪
1507 01:43:15 ♪ I want auroras and sad prose ♪
1508 01:43:20 ♪ I want to watch wisteria grow ♪
1509 01:43:25 ♪ Right over my bare feet ♪
1510 01:43:28 ♪ Cause I haven't moved in years ♪
1511 01:43:34 ♪ And I want you right here ♪
1512 01:43:37 ♪ A red rose grew upOut of ice frozen ground ♪
1513 01:43:44 ♪ With no one around to tweet it ♪
1514 01:43:47 ♪ While I bathe in cliffside pools ♪
1515 01:43:51 ♪ With my calamitous loveAnd insurmountable grief ♪
1516 01:43:58 ♪ Take me to the LakesWhere all the poets went to die ♪
1517 01:44:02 ♪ I don't belong ♪
1518 01:44:04 ♪ My beloved, neither do you ♪
1519 01:44:08 ♪ Those Windermere peaksLook like a perfect place to cry ♪
1520 01:44:13 ♪ I'm setting offBut not without my muse ♪
1521 01:44:18 ♪ No, not without you ♪
1522 01:44:28 ♪ No, not without you ♪
1523 01:44:46 That oughta do it.
1524 01:44:50 [chuckles]
1525 01:44:51 [Antonoff softly] Beautiful.
1526 01:44:53 [Swift] Whiskey?
1527 01:44:54 -[Dessner] This way to the whiskey.-[Swift laughs]
1528 01:45:11 So the record was recorded here,my studio, and your house.
1529 01:45:15 Yes.
1530 01:45:17 Did you give it a name?
1531 01:45:19 Yes. Think it's calledKitty Committee Studios on the album?
1532 01:45:22 It works.
1533 01:45:23 It does, 'cause I've got cats fightingin the background, on the bed.
1534 01:45:27 [Antonoff] There was a big cat vibe, yeah.
1535 01:45:29 And then the cats were the only people--
1536 01:45:30 -Laura kept getting cats.-[Swift] The cats were going in and out
1537 01:45:32 because if I were to close the dooron them,
1538 01:45:34 -they'd meow.-[Antonoff] Yeah.
1539 01:45:35 [Swift] So they need to be ableto be free-range cats.
1540 01:45:38 -[Antonoff] Yes.-Yeah, cage-free.
1541 01:45:41 Guys. Stop it. Stop. Stop!
1542 01:45:45 Benjamin always starts it,and Olivia always finishes it.
1543 01:45:48 He's twice her size,but she's an amazing fighter. Look at her.
1544 01:45:51 It's usually Benjamin and Oliviathat have lots of--
1545 01:45:54 I call them the marshmallow wars.
1546 01:45:56 No one's gonna get hurt,but there's a lot of--
1547 01:45:59 There's a lot of this.
1548 01:46:01 It was bizarre.
1549 01:46:02 It really was bizarre,
1550 01:46:03 but it was, at the same time,my favorite recording experience.
1551 01:46:07 Yeah. I mean, it's just a very cool wayto have made an album.
1552 01:46:10 Yeah, it really is.
1553 01:46:15 [typing]
1554 01:46:18 [ding]