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1 00:00:23 This film is based onminutes from a meeting
2 00:00:27 which has gone down in historyas the Wannsee Conference.
3 00:00:42 The so-called statesmen of the enemy spoke.
4 00:00:46 They could allow themselves to besilent, because their cannons spoke.
5 00:00:57 And their soldiers wonvictories on a tremendous scale,
6 00:01:04 which is unparalleled in history.
7 00:01:12 It is a pleasure for us as Berlinersto express our warm gratitude
8 00:01:18 to you, my F眉hrer, on behalfof the entire German people.
9 00:01:29 I think I speak for the wholepeople when I say, my F眉hrer:
10 00:01:34 We stood by your side when they weresilent, in difficult and in happy moments,
11 00:01:41 and we will stand withyou through all disasters
12 00:01:46 till the proud hour of our victory...
13 00:02:07 Berlin, war winter 1942.
14 00:02:11 The persecution and murder of Europe'sJewish population began a long time ago.
15 00:02:18 On January 20, the highestrepresentatives of the SS meet,
16 00:02:22 The NSDAP and the ministerial bureaucracy
17 00:02:25 at a conference in avilla at Gro脽er Wannsee.
18 00:02:30 The person who invited to thisbreakfast meeting is Reinhard Heydrich,
19 00:02:35 the head of the NationalSecurity Agency, RSHA.
20 00:02:39 On the agenda is "the finalsolution to the Jewish question".
21 00:03:17 - Hail Hitler. - Good morning.
22 00:03:19 - Has Obergruppenf眉hrer Heydrich landed?- No.
23 00:03:22 Notify me when he does. Who is here?
24 00:03:24 Dr. Freisler, Secretary of State Neumannand Herr Luther of the State Department.
25 00:03:29 I can't keep them waiting...
26 00:03:37 - Where is Obersturmbannf眉hrer Eichmann?- In the meeting room.
27 00:03:41 Please go ahead.
28 00:03:43 Entertain the gentlemen withsome civilized conversation.
29 00:03:47 Tell stories from the East.
30 00:03:49 The Secretary of State may find them distasteful.
31 00:03:53 You can handle it.
32 00:04:06 - Comrade Eichmann.- Good morning, Gruppenf眉hrer.
33 00:04:12 - It looks orderly.- We are almost done.
34 00:04:16 Heydrich at the end of the table?
35 00:04:19 You to his right, Gruppenf眉hrerHofmann to his left.
36 00:04:21 Then Hofmann will behappy. And here next to him?
37 00:04:25 Ministry of the East:
38 00:04:26 Gauleiter Meyer, Dr Leibbrandt andDr B眉hler from the General Government.
39 00:04:35 - We place Meyer a little further away.- I thought that as a Gauleiter...
40 00:04:39 Otherwise he feels too important. Further.
41 00:04:42 Dr Sch枚ngarth and Dr Lange.
42 00:04:46 Fine.
43 00:04:48 - And the desktop riders opposite?- Yes.
44 00:04:51 And you?
45 00:04:53 I will sit down with Fr盲ulein Werlemann, so thatwe can resolve matters of protocol directly.
46 00:04:57 At the side table, I see.
47 00:04:59 - I'm glad you're here.- Me too, Gruppenf眉hrer.
48 00:05:04 It's different.
49 00:05:06 For my part, we canhold all conferences here.
50 00:05:10 - You don't like Herr Eichmann's office?- I didn't say that.
51 00:05:17 Do something about the workenvironment, Eichmann. A trip to the zoo.
52 00:05:21 I will investigate the possibilities.
53 00:05:24 - Did your trip to Theresienstadt go well?- Very good. I came home last night.
54 00:05:29 - Was everything as expected?- It's not as crowded as people say.
55 00:05:33 - That's what I said.- The new bunk beds work perfectly.
56 00:05:38 The inmates are allowed to huddle together.
57 00:05:40 First M枚lder's plane crash andnow Field Marshal Reichenau.
58 00:05:44 I left the coat at the laundry, and nowwe already have the next state funeral.
59 00:05:49 - A terrible loss, especially now.- Yes.
60 00:05:53 - Apparently a stroke.- Deep in the Ukrainian forests.
61 00:05:58 - What was he doing in the forest?- Run.
62 00:06:01 - In minus 40 degrees, like every morning.- You're kidding.
63 00:06:05 A Reichenau is not stopped byfreezing temperatures. A tough devil.
64 00:06:10 40 degrees below zero, goodgod. And our men outside Moscow...
65 00:06:14 It is not warmer for the Russians.Moscow falls on Easter at the latest.
66 00:06:21 Right, Dr Sch枚ngarth?
67 00:06:26 Of course.
68 00:06:29 Excuse me.
69 00:06:53 - It was a surprise!- Dr. Sch枚ngarth?
70 00:06:57 - I thought you were in Latvia?- That's me.
71 00:07:00 I am here in place of Dr. Stahlecker.
72 00:07:03 - You are climbing in the career.- Well...
73 00:07:11 - I'm not happy with conferences.- You get used to it.
74 00:07:16 - Where do you live?- Here. My room is up there.
75 00:07:20 You should have toldme! This is the wish.
76 00:07:24 I only arrived last night.
77 00:07:30 - Lots of work at your place?- Yes.
78 00:07:33 You are hardly finished with your Jews untilmore arrive. 900 more yesterday, Czech.
79 00:07:39 Where do you place them? The ghetto in Riga?
80 00:07:42 Hardly. We take a walkin the forest, and that's it.
81 00:07:57 - Mr. Kritzinger. - Dr. Klopfer.
82 00:08:00 I never thought I would make it!
83 00:08:03 Be careful what you say.The Gestapo is watching us.
84 00:08:07 As far as I know, we havenothing on you, Dr. Klopfer.
85 00:08:10 It was a relief.
86 00:08:13 - Minister Kritzinger...- Gruppenf眉hrer.
87 00:08:18 I didn't know your agencyoperates a branch out here.
88 00:08:22 - A former factory villa.- Aryanized?
89 00:08:25 Not in this case.
90 00:08:27 Gentlemen.
91 00:08:31 Obergruppenf眉hrerHeydrich has just landed.
92 00:09:05 We start at twelve o'clockas planned. Notify the kitchen.
93 00:09:08 Yes, Obersturmbannf眉hrer.
94 00:09:09 We expect 90 minutes. Preparesnacks in the saloon when the doors close.
95 00:09:21 - Gauleiter. - Gruppenf眉hrer.
96 00:09:24 Dr. Buhler.
97 00:09:27 - Dr. Leibbrandt.- Gruppenf眉hrer.
98 00:09:29 Where have you kidnapped usto, M眉ller? It looks downright feudal.
99 00:09:33 It is a guest house that belongs to RSHA.
100 00:09:36 The East Ministry should alsohave a guesthouse at Wannsee.
101 00:09:40 I agree.
102 00:09:42 Are you doing just as well in Krak贸w, Dr. B眉hler?
103 00:09:46 The General Government has otherconcerns: two million Polish Jews.
104 00:09:49 - You can say that again.- We wait in vain for reinforcements.
105 00:09:53 - That is why we are here today.- Governor-General Frank wants results.
106 00:09:58 Gentlemen.
107 00:10:08 Gruppenf眉hrer M眉ller.
108 00:10:10 Dr. Stuckart. Let mecongratulate you on the addition.
109 00:10:13 As well informed as always.
110 00:10:15 Why are we honored to be here?Repainting on Prinz-Albrecht-Stra脽e?
111 00:10:19 We wanted to give a little change.
112 00:10:22 You want to impress us,but don't get your hopes up.
113 00:10:25 The house has central heating.
114 00:10:31 - For God's sake!- Can you orient me?
115 00:10:35 Gauleiter Meyer. You mustknow him. Ministry of the East.
116 00:10:39 - He hasn't introduced himself.- It will. He thinks he is important.
117 00:10:43 Leibbrandt works for him.He speaks seven languages.
118 00:10:49 And next to him?
119 00:10:50 Dr. Buhler. I have to constantlyspar with him in Krak贸w.
120 00:10:53 - The General Government. Civil administration.- And the other costume elves?
121 00:10:57 Doubters in service. Secretary of State and stufflike that. G枚ring's office for the four-year plan.
122 00:11:04 The Ministry of Justice, the NationalChancellery and the Party Chancellery.
123 00:11:08 Luther, he's nice. Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
124 00:11:12 - I hope I don't have to remember them all.- But you must remember him.
125 00:11:17 Stucco art. He will beinterior minister one day.
126 00:11:20 - Yes, this will be fun.- It's like a friends night out.
127 00:11:25 In the end, it's about whowears the hat, albeit without beer.
128 00:11:30 That was unfortunate.
129 00:11:33 - I was wondering if you would come by bicycle.- I considered it.
130 00:11:37 Do you live here by the lake?
131 00:11:39 Two kilometers. A beautifulhouse. A wonderful family.
132 00:11:42 Who is the young man?
133 00:11:48 - A Sturmbannf眉hrer if I see correctly.- In this party?
134 00:11:51 - They probably both belong to the rough crew.- Heydrich's "fighting administration".
135 00:11:56 I don't want to know what oursoldiers in the east have to experience.
136 00:12:02 - Hail Hitler.- Gruppenf眉hrer Hofmann.
137 00:12:05 - A pleasure.- It is my pleasure. And in the east?
138 00:12:08 - Too many Jews, but we are working on it.- That is why we are here today.
139 00:12:12 According to the invitation,Mr. Heydrich is to draw up an overall plan
140 00:12:16 to solve the Jewish question. Doyou know more about the matter?
141 00:12:21 He seems serious. Otherwisehe wouldn't have invited us here.
142 00:12:24 G枚ring himself entrusted him with it.
143 00:12:27 Yes, Heydrich's path toReich Marshal has been short.
144 00:12:31 - He is an ambitious man.- That's what I want to say!
145 00:12:35 An incredible career, andhe's not even a graduate.
146 00:12:39 - He has success. That is the important thing.- He is welcome to have that.
147 00:12:43 But I dislike poachers inmy area of 鈥嬧€媟esponsibility.
148 00:12:50 Let me introduce Sturmbannf眉hrer Lange.
149 00:12:52 - And you represent...?- Brigadef眉hrer Stahlecker.
150 00:12:55 I know him. Welcome.
151 00:13:19 Hail Hitler.
152 00:13:20 - Welcome to Berlin.- How are you?
153 00:13:23 - Very good thanks. Did the flight go well?- Yes.
154 00:13:25 - Are all the others here?- Yes, we are full.
155 00:13:33 An excellent idea to invite to a secondbreakfast. Now at least they are punctual.
156 00:13:39 - How is the mood?- Dr. Stuckart is as combative as ever.
157 00:13:42 Dr. B眉hler complains about theJews in the General Government.
158 00:13:44 As usual, that is.
159 00:13:47 Make sure you are well taken careof in the kitchen, Hauptsturmf眉hrer.
160 00:13:51 - Do you have the numbers I asked for?- They are ready in the study.
161 00:13:54 I have noted that the accuracy varies.
162 00:13:58 An impression of correctness is enough.
163 00:14:07 - Gauleiter.- Obergruppenf眉hrer.
164 00:14:11 Good morning. Sorry I am late.My departure in Prague was delayed.
165 00:14:17 We have a lot to do.I'll be there in a minute.
166 00:14:20 Mr. Luther. Dr. Lange.
167 00:14:23 Excuse me.
168 00:14:51 Please close the door.
169 00:14:58 Mr. Luther, surely the Ministry of Foreign Affairshas its own ideas about the Jewish question?
170 00:15:04 That's right.
171 00:15:05 I hope they are in linewith what we discussed.
172 00:15:08 - I don't want to start from scratch.- Everything is as we have discussed.
173 00:15:12 On the whole, it's about
174 00:15:16 that we must have full accessto all Jews of all nationalities,
175 00:15:21 provided they are withinour sphere of interest.
176 00:15:24 The time for internationalconsiderations is over.
177 00:15:27 So true.
178 00:15:29 The United States and England have taken decisionsagainst us. The Jews can no longer be used as hostages.
179 00:15:34 They should have been takenfrom us while it was possible.
180 00:15:38 It fits well with our thoughts.I like the last paragraph best:
181 00:15:44 "The measures are carried out inagreement with the state secret police."
182 00:15:49 Our collaboration with Herr Eichmannhas been extremely constructive.
183 00:15:55 Maybe it's because I'vealso worked in transport.
184 00:15:59 I can only imagine the workthat the current measures require.
185 00:16:03 I am glad to hear.
186 00:16:05 Our tactics in the Jewish question are toorapid for the delicate sensibilities abroad.
187 00:16:10 I like to do a proper job.
188 00:16:13 - Can you excuse us for a moment?- Of course.
189 00:16:22 - Recorder?- Fr盲ulein Werlemann from Eichmann's office.
190 00:16:25 - Reliable?- One hundred percent.
191 00:16:28 - Day officer?- Handpicked people.
192 00:16:31 Dr. Lange, come closer.You don't have to hide.
193 00:16:35 I only hear good things from the Baltics.
194 00:16:39 The commander of Task ForceA, Brigadef眉hrer Stahlecker,
195 00:16:42 as well as Higher SS and Police Commanderin the East, Obergruppenf眉hrer Jeckeln,
196 00:16:46 has authorized me to informyou: Estonia is free of Jews.
197 00:16:50 Lithuania and Latvia, apart from a fewremaining working Jews, are also free.
198 00:16:55 What can I say? Good news.
199 00:17:03 May I?
200 00:17:13 What is this?
201 00:17:14 We have prepared a small sketchwith the quotas achieved so far.
202 00:17:18 Task group A is now at 220,000.
203 00:17:21 Together with the others, it will be half a million.
204 00:17:24 - It is making progress.- You've worked hard on this one!
205 00:17:28 The drawings were made by a comrade.We have someone who can do that.
206 00:17:32 Only 42,000 in Belarus?
207 00:17:35 Unfortunately. It is a large area, andthere is a lack of vehicles and gasoline.
208 00:17:39 And the ground isfrozen. We can't dig holes.
209 00:17:42 Arquebusing is still possible,but disposal has stalled.
210 00:17:45 - How do you remedy that?- Stacks, until it thaws again.
211 00:17:49 We will soon get rid of those kinds of bottlenecks.
212 00:17:52 The promised gas wagonsare soon on their way to you too.
213 00:17:56 - Have the loading problems been solved?- Problem?
214 00:18:01 A comrade from Kulmhof told me. TheJews do not voluntarily go on the wagons.
215 00:18:06 - It often gets restless in the hold.- Yes, it takes a little fingertip feeling.
216 00:18:13 Afterwards they have to go out again. The comradesays that it is more disgusting than the arquebusing.
217 00:18:18 It is still more efficient,
218 00:18:20 especially with a full load ofnine to ten units per square meter.
219 00:18:24 The wagons are still only a transitional solution.
220 00:18:27 Later you will learn more aboutthe scope of our current plans.
221 00:18:31 I'm looking forward to it.
222 00:18:33 Eichmann.
223 00:18:41 The transport yesterday from Theresienstadt?
224 00:18:43 Completed last night. Ialmost missed my flight.
225 00:18:47 - Thank you, Sturmbannf眉hrer.- An order is an order.
226 00:18:51 You and your comrades are doing a duty topeople and fatherland that few are capable of.
227 00:18:57 The future will honorthe heroism of your men.
228 00:19:01 - If I can, I'll say hello to them.- Do so.
229 00:19:05 Some of the gentlemen you will meetare not made of the same wood as us.
230 00:19:11 We have inherited remnants of theprevious administration and government.
231 00:19:14 The ones Herr M眉ller callsthem "Christmas Santas".
232 00:19:18 Dr. Sch枚ngarth haswarned me. I will be discreet.
233 00:19:21 It's not necessary. They should be told whatthey are participating in. That closes the ranks.
234 00:19:27 I understand. A question of dosage.
235 00:19:29 Right. A question of dosage.
236 00:19:55 But shouldn't my place be here?
237 00:19:58 - Here, Gauleiter.- Would you be so kind?
238 00:20:14 - Here we are again talking about the Jews.- It looks like that.
239 00:20:18 An extremely unpleasant topic.
240 00:20:25 Thanks.
241 00:20:30 - Dr. Stuckart.- Undersecretary of State Luther.
242 00:20:35 Did your audience end well?
243 00:20:38 You should not be jealous. I heardthat you yourself were a guest in Prague.
244 00:20:42 I represented the interests ofthe Home Office, not the RSHA.
245 00:20:51 - Water? - Thank you, please.
246 00:21:14 Herr Gauleiter, Secretary ofState, Comrades of the SS.
247 00:21:19 I am pleased that you acceptedmy invitation at such short notice.
248 00:21:22 We preferred it to a dusty office,
249 00:21:26 so that we are not disturbed bytelephones and the running of the advisers.
250 00:21:31 And if your agencies would like to enjoythe convenience here, one night costs鈥?
251 00:21:38 Eichmann, help me.
252 00:21:41 Five reiksmark per night and person.
253 00:21:43 - What an offer!- So that's why we're here.
254 00:21:46 RSHA is looking for new sources of funding.
255 00:21:50 Anything helps, MisterGauleiter. Joking aside.
256 00:21:54 Regarding the reason for our gathering,I would like to draw your attention
257 00:21:59 to the letter from Reich MarshalG枚ring which is attached to my invitation.
258 00:22:03 There, the Reich Marshal tasks me to:
259 00:22:06 "Make preparations in organizational,factual and material terms
260 00:22:12 for a comprehensive solutionto Europe's Jewish question."
261 00:22:15 I am instructed to involve allconcerned central authorities
262 00:22:20 to produce an overall draft.So that's you, gentlemen.
263 00:22:25 - That is why we are here today.- Add a copy to the minutes.
264 00:22:31 - May I ask...- Already, Dr. Freisler?
265 00:22:34 Just a trifle.
266 00:22:36 The assignment is dated to July lastyear. Why is it only happening now?
267 00:22:44 As you know, for a few months I have beendividing my time between Berlin and Prague.
268 00:22:48 My duties as Deputy NationalProtector occupy much of my time.
269 00:22:52 The Czechs offer stubborn resistance.
270 00:22:55 It was expected. The slaves are recalcitrant.
271 00:23:00 A meeting in December was madeimpossible by the military developments:
272 00:23:05 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor,
273 00:23:07 The F眉hrer's declaration of war against the UnitedStates and the Russian counter-offensive in the East.
274 00:23:13 After all, the Russians havedecided to offer resistance.
275 00:23:17 It won't help him.
276 00:23:20 I have been asked to presentan overall draft regarding,
277 00:23:24 and I quote the Reich Marshal again:
278 00:23:27 "The Implementation of the FinalSolution to the Jewish Question."
279 00:23:33 The overall solution to the Jewish question is just that:
280 00:23:36 The final solution to the Jewish question.
281 00:23:39 Our preparations have thusbeen extensive and complicated,
282 00:23:43 which has caused some delays.
283 00:23:47 - Thanks for the information. I understand.- Have I understood the matter correctly?
284 00:23:52 So we are no longer justtalking about the national Jews?
285 00:23:55 - Do the new plans apply to all of Europe?- That's right.
286 00:23:59 The Jewish question can only be consideredsolved after a total biological cleansing
287 00:24:03 of all Jewry up to the Ural Mountains.
288 00:24:07 That is the goal, the taskthat fate has set before us.
289 00:24:13 All over Europe...
290 00:24:17 It's a whole new perspective.
291 00:24:20 The goal has been around for a long time. Thenew thing is that we are now dealing with it.
292 00:24:24 It is not unexpected. I was at theF眉hrer's house a few weeks ago.
293 00:24:29 Then he said clearly that hewanted the Jewish question resolved.
294 00:24:34 As he predicted in the Riksdag:
295 00:24:37 "If international Jewry once againplunges the people into a world war,
296 00:24:42 then the result will not be aBolshevization of the world,
297 00:24:45 without an annihilation ofthe Jewish race in Europe."
298 00:24:48 This is the falsification of prophecy.The Jews want war and will have it.
299 00:24:55 The destiny of Judaism isfulfilled, which is hard but deserved.
300 00:24:58 Pity or remorse is thuscompletely inappropriate.
301 00:25:03 We don't need any presentations. Mostpeople here are familiar with each other.
302 00:25:08 Except our Sturmbannf眉hrer here.
303 00:25:14 Dr. Stuckart?
304 00:25:15 I just wanted to point out that Iam not personally familiar with him.
305 00:25:23 - Dr. Lange, would you be so kind?- Sturmbannf眉hrer, Dr. Rudolf Lange.
306 00:25:28 Head of the security policeand intelligence service in Latvia.
307 00:25:32 I represent Dr. Stahlecker,who sends greetings to all of you.
308 00:25:35 Then it was settled.
309 00:25:37 - Isn't Latvia our territory?- That's right.
310 00:25:42 Our operational area is inthe Rikskommissariat Ostland.
311 00:25:45 - And yet we haven't met?- We haven't been given the opportunity.
312 00:25:48 Then it's time. We want to knowwho moves in our area of 鈥嬧€媟esponsibility.
313 00:25:53 I will arrange it as soon as possible.
314 00:25:56 This might interest the gentlemen:
315 00:25:58 Thanks to the combined efforts of theMinistry of the East and the task forces
316 00:26:03 can Estonia be considered Jew-free.
317 00:26:10 Dr. Lange has already notified me.
318 00:26:13 You will soon be able to read a reporton the situation for the task forces.
319 00:26:18 You are welcome to take a look at it later.
320 00:26:23 - If I may ask a question...- Is it a short question?
321 00:26:28 - It applies to Dr. Lange's area of 鈥嬧€媟esponsibility.- You are welcome.
322 00:26:32 As you write in your invitation have
323 00:26:34 Jewish transportincreased in recent months,
324 00:26:38 both from the kingdom and from the protectorate,this according to your report IV B4
325 00:26:42 and your Jewish expertObersturmbannf眉hrer Eichmann.
326 00:26:46 That's right.
327 00:26:47 There appear to have beenirregularities during these transports.
328 00:26:52 The Rikskansliet holds documentsfrom November, from Riga.
329 00:26:59 Can you get to the point?
330 00:27:02 At efforts in the Rigattot
331 00:27:06 to prepare a certain relief,
332 00:27:09 a transport of Jews from Berlin wasincluded in an ongoing special treatment.
333 00:27:16 We know that. What else?
334 00:27:18 The incident has also beendiscussed at the Ministry of the Interior,
335 00:27:21 with a certain inability to understand.
336 00:27:24 I beg you. Judaism hasforced this war on us.
337 00:27:29 One must recognize the world-historicalnecessity of fighting back.
338 00:27:35 One cannot anxiously ask whetherindividual Jews bear personal guilt.
339 00:27:43 You see, gentlemen... Weare warm and cozy here.
340 00:27:48 But in the East it is often less orderly.
341 00:27:51 It is not possible to get an up-to-date orderfrom Berlin for each individual decision.
342 00:27:55 I know. I was a soldier in World War.
343 00:27:58 Then you know that our units aresometimes forced to improvise at the front.
344 00:28:05 Here we are talking about athousand people, from Berlin.
345 00:28:09 What would we do? We couldn't throw them outinto the snow and let them freeze to death.
346 00:28:15 I have great confidence inthe judgment of your men.
347 00:28:18 They solve things in the spirit of the F眉hrer.
348 00:28:21 Let's be honest:
349 00:28:23 What was forbidden in Novemberis allowed in December, so please.
350 00:28:27 The Germans don't care ifUkrainian or Latvian Jews die.
351 00:28:32 But each of these thousand Reich Jews hasrelatives, acquaintances and friends in Berlin.
352 00:28:37 It leads to irritation and questions.
353 00:28:40 And the Rikskansliet cannotalways provide correct information.
354 00:28:45 We also feel that way at the Ministry of Justice.
355 00:28:48 The rumors have also led tosuicides among German Jews,
356 00:28:52 which leads to greatconcern among the population.
357 00:28:56 I am not worried about Jewish suicides.
358 00:29:00 It has happened thatnon-Jews have been deported,
359 00:29:04 or Jews who fought on Germany's sidein the World War, some highly decorated.
360 00:29:08 The Gestapo in particular doesn'tseem to be following their own guidelines.
361 00:29:12 Regrettable initial mishaps.
362 00:29:16 That is precisely why we have gatheredhere today, to hear all your concerns.
363 00:29:20 Reichsmarschalk G枚ring, who Ispeak for here, recently criticized
364 00:29:26 that Jewish skilled workers are transportedfrom factories important for rearmament.
365 00:29:30 It cannot, especially at this criticalstage of the war, be in our interest.
366 00:29:36 I understand. The Marshal criticizesone aspect of what he otherwise welcomes.
367 00:29:42 - Regarding the current transports...- Dr. B眉hler, can it wait?
368 00:29:46 The F眉hrer promised GovernorGeneral Frank several months ago
369 00:29:50 that the General Government wouldbe Jew-free in the foreseeable future.
370 00:29:53 - But our ghettos are still full of explosives.- Show me someone who is better off.
371 00:29:58 We also run the risk of notbeing able to feed all the Jews.
372 00:30:02 One wonders if the most humanething would not be for non-working Jews
373 00:30:07 eliminated with a fast-acting agent.
374 00:30:10 It's more pleasant than starving to death.
375 00:30:13 Financially speaking, absolutely right. It is war.
376 00:30:16 Why waste preciousresources on the Jews?
377 00:30:20 We in the General Government are certainlycapable of solving the problem ourselves.
378 00:30:24 We have already taken steps in thedirection of Mr. Brack's euthanasia actions.
379 00:30:31 There are procedures,although not completely harmless.
380 00:30:35 That's why you should let us handle it.
381 00:30:39 We are already working with Mr. Brack.
382 00:30:41 His people provideknowledge and equipment.
383 00:30:45 In the Litzmannstadt ghetto, it hasalready provided noticeable relief.
384 00:30:48 We hope to hear more about these measurestoday. At least that's what we were promised.
385 00:30:54 I realize that we live in turbulent times.
386 00:30:57 In recent months, we have beguntremendous development on many levels,
387 00:31:02 and sometimes progress isfaster than we have anticipated,
388 00:31:06 not least because areas ofresponsibility often overlap.
389 00:31:10 Welcome to Berlin, where everyone seems tothink they are responsible for everything.
390 00:31:14 That is the German thoroughness.We should consider it a virtue.
391 00:31:19 Sure, but so that our virtuedoesn't become an obstacle
392 00:31:23 a faster decision-making process is required.
393 00:31:27 We have to make sure wefollow parallel lines, so to speak.
394 00:31:33 I state, also with regard toReich Marshal G枚ring's letter,
395 00:31:38 that from now on lies the leadership ofthe final solution of the Jewish question,
396 00:31:43 regardless of geographical boundaries,with Reichsf眉hrer-SS, Heinrich Himmler
397 00:31:49 and with his authorization thehead of the National Security Board,
398 00:31:53 that is, my little person.
399 00:32:11 So can I inform the Minister of the Interior thatthe RSHA is now making the Jewish laws themselves?
400 00:32:18 - It would be easier.- Don't worry, Dr. Stuckart.
401 00:32:21 - You will participate in the decision-making process.- Or be informed about decisions already made?
402 00:32:27 Don't you want to listen to ourObergruppenf眉hrer's plans first?
403 00:32:32 before you feel excluded?
404 00:32:34 What I feel does not belong here.
405 00:32:37 I am asking based on a responsibilityfor my ministry's areas of competence.
406 00:32:41 I'm surprised I'm the onlyone. You then, Mr. Luther?
407 00:32:47 - Or the gentlemen from the Ministry of the East.- How so?
408 00:32:50 You have complained that Berlin interferes inyour Jewish affairs, and now you are silent.
409 00:32:55 - Right now you are getting involved in our Jewish affairs.- Dr. B眉hler, do you see the same in Krak贸w?
410 00:33:02 If the final solution meansthat we finally get rid of our Jews
411 00:33:07 am I ready to follow ourObergruppenf眉hrer's lead.
412 00:33:12 And that's exactly how it should be. Wewill solve your Jewish problems for you!
413 00:33:18 After today, you will all agree that onlythe National Security Supervisory Board
414 00:33:23 is capable of solving the Jewish question,organizationally as well as practically.
415 00:33:28 We have the resources, methods,organization and experience required
416 00:33:34 and people with enough determination.
417 00:33:37 If you do not agree after today,I will gladly hand over the task.
418 00:33:42 It's not that we don'thave enough work.
419 00:33:48 - So if you let me continue...- Of course.
420 00:33:53 A brief retrospective: Since 1933, wehave waged a battle against Judaism
421 00:33:58 and succeeded in repressingthe Jews from German society.
422 00:34:02 The Jewish race is recognized asforeign to the body of the German people,
423 00:34:06 thanks, among other things, to the actions ofthe Central Agency for Race and Settlement.
424 00:34:12 The Jewish laws have made the harmfulinfluence of the Jews on our community
425 00:34:16 practically impossible.
426 00:34:19 With legislation such asDr. Stuckart's Nuremberg Laws...
427 00:34:24 I was just a co-author.
428 00:34:27 With the goal of clearing the Jewsout of German social life by legal means
429 00:34:32 we have had a largenumber of Jews emigrate.
430 00:34:36 - Obersturmbannf眉hrer.- So far it is around 537,000.
431 00:34:42 Not least thanks to Obersturmbannf眉hrerEichmann's organizational efforts.
432 00:34:48 My agency is also only part ofGruppenf眉hrer M眉ller's Gestapo department.
433 00:34:52 It was nothing.
434 00:34:54 In principle, the acceleration of theJewish exodus was not a bad idea.
435 00:34:58 Let them exert theirharmful influence elsewhere.
436 00:35:02 But emigration isno longer an option.
437 00:35:05 They don't want them abroad either.
438 00:35:08 And we must not increase theenemy's forces in time of war.
439 00:35:12 What happened to the idea of 鈥嬧€媠ending themto Madagascar? Then the world had let them go.
440 00:35:17 Shelved, as long as Englandhas dominion over the seas.
441 00:35:22 - The same applies to the marshlands of Siberia.- At least as long as the Russians stand in the way.
442 00:35:27 Therefore, Reichsf眉hrer-SS and Chief of theGerman Police, Heinrich Himmler, forbade
443 00:35:33 the exodus of Jews in October.
444 00:35:36 And now we turn our attention to what I liketo call "the opportunities in the East".
445 00:35:41 In the east, thanks to thework of our task forces, we have
446 00:35:46 about half a million Jews whohave received special treatment.
447 00:35:49 We have gained experience thatwill be important for the final solution.
448 00:35:56 So instead of emigration, anotherpossible solution has emerged.
449 00:36:01 Let us call it the evacuationof the Jews to the East,
450 00:36:06 to bring them to the final solutionwith the methods of the East.
451 00:36:12 - Sorry, Obergruppenf眉hrer.- Dr. Lange?
452 00:36:14 - So we're going to accept more Jews?- No.
453 00:36:16 You deal with the Eastern Jews whoare added when the front is moved forward.
454 00:36:21 The major measures that are plannedgo through the Higher SS and Police Chief.
455 00:36:26 And how big are the big measures?
456 00:36:30 The spaces of the final solutionwill also relieve the task forces.
457 00:36:35 "Evacuation to the Premisesof the Final Solution",
458 00:36:38 Does that mean specialtreatment for all European Jews?
459 00:36:46 Listen now, but then forget itimmediately. That's exactly right.
460 00:36:51 May I ask where thesespaces are located?
461 00:36:55 - Not with us. That was not the case.- With us, in the General Government.
462 00:37:01 At least I assume so.
463 00:37:03 It is built in the area around Lublinunder Brigadef眉hrer Globocnik.
464 00:37:08 Thus we get rid of some of the Jews whohave gathered in the General Government,
465 00:37:12 around Be艂偶ec and Sobib贸r.
466 00:37:15 The capacity is also to beexpanded in eastern Upper Silesia,
467 00:37:19 near the village ofAuschwitz. More on that later.
468 00:37:22 Dr. B眉hler, didn't the Governor-Generaldesperately want to get rid of the Jews?
469 00:37:27 - And now he gets more?- Why do our Jews interest you right now?
470 00:37:32 - You receive the news with great calmness.- The Obergruppenf眉hrer has explained:
471 00:37:37 We don't have to deal with the Jewsin the final solution. They don't stop.
472 00:37:42 It's real. Do not worry. Youwill practically not notice it.
473 00:37:49 But you spoke of all the Jews of Europe.
474 00:37:52 - A good knitting line.- Obersturmbannf眉hrer...
475 00:38:11 The map shows the current politicaland military situation in Europe.
476 00:38:16 Here in the east, the current front line.
477 00:38:19 The red is the kingdom'sterritory at the outbreak of war.
478 00:38:23 The pink are incorporated areas:
479 00:38:25 Formerly Western Poland,the Czech Republic and Austria.
480 00:38:30 Further east in white, the easternterritories under German civil administration:
481 00:38:34 Ostland, Ukraine and the General Government.
482 00:38:37 Vertically dashed in red are territoriesthat we have occupied militarily:
483 00:38:41 Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium,
484 00:38:45 northern France, Serbia and Greece.
485 00:38:49 And dashed horizontally, countriesthat are allies or where we have influence:
486 00:38:54 Italy, the Vichy regime, Hungary, Romania,
487 00:38:58 Bulgaria, Albania,Croatia and Slovakia.
488 00:39:02 - We practically have Europe in our hands.- And we have only just begun.
489 00:39:07 - And the black dots are...- Jews.
490 00:39:10 The density seems to indicate theconcentration of the Jewish population.
491 00:39:14 That's right.
492 00:39:16 The further east we look, the morecompact the Jewish resistance becomes,
493 00:39:20 above all in former Poland andareas that belonged to the Soviet Union.
494 00:39:24 After all, they have beenspreading there for centuries.
495 00:39:27 Behind the front lines in the fog of war, wehave already reduced concentration significantly.
496 00:39:32 - But there is still much to do.- The task appears to be too ambitious.
497 00:39:37 I consider myself an expert inthe field, but I cannot overview
498 00:39:42 how many Jews are we talking about.
499 00:39:46 We are talking about eleven million.
500 00:39:52 This list shows how Judaism isdistributed between individual countries.
501 00:39:58 Within the Reich westill have 130,000 Jews.
502 00:40:02 Numerically manageable,but politically complicated.
503 00:40:05 The largest items: the GeneralGovernment with 2.3 million.
504 00:40:09 The Soviet Union has the most, around five million.
505 00:40:12 In the Balkans, I quicklycount around 1.6 million,
506 00:40:17 and almost a million more throughout France.
507 00:40:20 The numbers are higher than expected.
508 00:40:22 Non-occupied countries such as Englandand Switzerland are also listed here.
509 00:40:26 Of course. The figures alreadypaint the coming new order of Europe.
510 00:40:33 Very good. We mustlook beyond the horizon.
511 00:40:38 - And where do the numbers come from?- From our archives.
512 00:40:42 And from representatives ofthe Jews in Vienna and Berlin.
513 00:40:45 The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has also contributed.
514 00:40:47 - Are the numbers reliable?- They should roughly match.
515 00:40:51 - These are incredible numbers.- May I quickly put it into perspective?
516 00:40:55 Gladly. Keep it short, please.
517 00:41:01 We have to consider thenumbers in a larger context.
518 00:41:06 The final solution to the Jewishquestion is only one of the building blocks
519 00:41:10 in the planned reorganization of Europe.
520 00:41:14 In the longer term, we are talking about the removalof all lower races in our sphere of interest.
521 00:41:21 The movement of people in theeastern territories must give way
522 00:41:25 for the Germanization of the conquered livingspace in the East through German colonization.
523 00:41:32 In the end, we are talking about a Europecharacterized by our Germanic culture,
524 00:41:38 in which non-Germanic peoplesare at most tolerated as labor slaves.
525 00:41:43 Reading and writing at primary schoollevel. Counting up to one hundred.
526 00:41:47 We don't need them anymore.
527 00:41:51 Europe's new order and racial elevation
528 00:41:53 requiring the repopulationof hundreds of millions.
529 00:41:57 In comparison, a final solution for elevenmillion Jews is downright negligible.
530 00:42:08 How are you going to control allthese Jews? How will that happen?
531 00:42:12 I wonder that too.
532 00:42:14 The transports have just started, andalready we have delays and obstacles.
533 00:42:19 What will it look like wheneleven million get moving.
534 00:42:24 They do not move. Theyare set in motion by us.
535 00:42:30 I don't want to trivialize it:
536 00:42:32 We are facing an organizational taskthat is unprecedented in world history.
537 00:42:38 It will proceed as follows:
538 00:42:40 We plan to combEurope from west to east.
539 00:42:44 The evacuated Jews are firsttaken to so-called transit ghettos,
540 00:42:48 and then transported eastward train by train.
541 00:42:52 - So from west to east?- It's true.
542 00:42:56 I have to hope that the GeneralGovernment leads the way.
543 00:43:00 When the facilities are in place,shall we first work by our Jews?
544 00:43:07 - We shall see.- You must excuse...
545 00:43:11 We cannot be expected to stand andwatch as trains are full of French Jews
546 00:43:16 rolling into our territory while ourown country is being choked by Jews.
547 00:43:20 Do you think it is different with us?
548 00:43:23 The territory of the GermanReich naturally comes first,
549 00:43:27 not least because of the housingshortage after the bombings.
550 00:43:30 Bohemia-Moravia also takes precedence,and not because it's my home ground.
551 00:43:36 Too many Czechs stillthink they can get rid of us.
552 00:43:40 The Jewish-controlled backbone ofthe resistance must be quickly broken.
553 00:43:44 - It is about military necessity.- I understand them, but still:
554 00:43:49 A plan with no reduction of our Jewsat the beginning of the Final Solution,
555 00:43:53 and for the record, will not be favorablyreceived by the Governor-General.
556 00:43:57 It wasn't said that way. We were promisedrelief in our ghettos at the beginning.
557 00:44:03 We'll see.
558 00:44:07 If we cannot agree on the order,
559 00:44:11 then I take the liberty of askingfor a decision from the F眉hrer.
560 00:44:17 The assets after these elevenmillion Jews should be a larger sum.
561 00:44:22 You have to assume that.
562 00:44:24 So far, Aryanized assets have gone tothe representatives of the four-year plan.
563 00:44:29 Shall I inform Reich MarshalG枚ring that it will continue like this?
564 00:44:33 Wait now. The Eastern Ministry still hasaccess to the assets of the Eastern Jews.
565 00:44:38 Yes. Our Jews, our money.
566 00:44:41 First, the money willfinance the transports.
567 00:44:44 Unfortunately, we have to paythe Reichsbahn for every Jew.
568 00:44:49 Now we must not sell theskin before the bear is shot.
569 00:44:54 Where do we get transport capacity from?
570 00:44:57 Good question. The upgrade is alreadytaking up a lot of the railway and roads.
571 00:45:03 - Should we have eleven million Jews on the trail?- And don't forget the military.
572 00:45:08 The troops must also bemoved, as well as equipment.
573 00:45:11 We already have supply problemswithout the Jewish transports.
574 00:45:16 If the transports wouldimpede the war effort,
575 00:45:20 then the party will advocate dealingwith the Jewish question after the war.
576 00:45:24 The fight against the Jews is part of the war effort.
577 00:45:27 It is not a luxury we indulge inbeyond the military endeavours.
578 00:45:31 War and race are one and the same.
579 00:45:34 Where we fight against theJews, we fight for the kingdom.
580 00:45:37 - But we mustn't take on too much.- Exactly. First victory, and then the Jews.
581 00:45:44 Gentlemen, while Irespect your concerns
582 00:45:48 is this the wrong time to chastisethe F眉hrer's visions like a potted plant.
583 00:45:54 Only ten years ago the Jews livedeverywhere among us, almost invisible,
584 00:45:58 as if they were part of our community of people.
585 00:46:02 And look where we aretoday, how far we've come.
586 00:46:06 How the possibilities are constantly expanding.
587 00:46:09 Thinking small now because offalse fears would be a fatal mistake.
588 00:46:16 Right now, we must have the courageto take big steps and have big visions.
589 00:46:21 We are at a criticalstage of the war.
590 00:46:25 Russia in the east, the USAin the west and England at sea.
591 00:46:28 The war is not an obstacle, but an opportunity.
592 00:46:31 War opens up opportunitiesthat do not exist in peacetime.
593 00:46:35 Despite all the personal tragedies, war alsoprovides an opportunity to create realities.
594 00:46:41 Make a radical intervention insociety and shape it with a big plan.
595 00:46:49 When a farmer wants to cultivate his field,he must first drive the spade into the soil.
596 00:46:58 Perhaps you will get the best answers toyour questions about transport and personnel
597 00:47:02 when Herr Eichmann informsus of the concrete process.
598 00:47:07 As Jewish adviser at agency IV B4
599 00:47:09 I am responsible for the registrationand transportation of Jews to be deported.
600 00:47:15 First:
601 00:47:17 The transport of Jews is to take place piecemeal,depending on the military developments.
602 00:47:23 When the Jew is registered withthe police, reported and separated
603 00:47:27 he is detained at the reference time.
604 00:47:29 He hands in his house key, signsover his assets to the kingdom
605 00:47:34 and sets off with a small suitcase and amaximum of 50 reiksmark to the collection point,
606 00:47:39 usually a distant siding, wherehe is placed on the wagon.
607 00:47:43 Why write over the assets?According to the 11th Ordinance
608 00:47:46 Jews lose both citizenship andproperty when they cross the border.
609 00:47:50 - The border crossing is not entirely voluntary.- Bureaucratic formality seems reassuring.
610 00:47:56 An orderly process, as the Jewsboard the trains with a sense of order.
611 00:48:01 I understand.
612 00:48:02 The transport is carried out aftercoordination with the Ministry of Transport,
613 00:48:07 the transport management at theOrdnungspolizei and the Reichsbahn timetable.
614 00:48:12 For reasons of efficiency and to giveaccompanying staff a better overview
615 00:48:17 transport takes place primarily with freight wagons.But in the beginning and up to the border of the kingdom
616 00:48:22 also used by passengertrains, for optical reasons.
617 00:48:27 I guess we are informed about the numbers. Wewant to know exactly how many people are coming.
618 00:48:33 Of course. The transports are coordinatedwith the respective reception capacity
619 00:48:39 at the target areas in the east,
620 00:48:42 whether ghettos, labor camps,transit camps or direct action.
621 00:48:47 - How large will our staffing be?- Personnel is not a problem.
622 00:48:51 We manage the entirecompany with a handful of men.
623 00:48:55 - Is it true? - Yes.
624 00:48:58 A train with ten carriages caneasily be guarded by a dozen men.
625 00:49:02 And how do you avoid the bottlenecksin transport that we just pointed out?
626 00:49:06 We don't expect any bottlenecks.
627 00:49:09 We use goods wagons that previouslytransported Russian workers to the kingdom.
628 00:49:14 They would otherwise roll back empty. Weare practically trading Jews for Russians.
629 00:49:20 - So we optimize an existing process?- Yes. This way we avoid empty trains.
630 00:49:25 - I like that. - I'll be damned.
631 00:49:28 If I'd had a freight forwarder like Eichmann,I'd also have a villa like this now.
632 00:49:35 - Then these questions are also answered.- In the protocol?
633 00:49:39 Yes, Obergruppenf眉hrer.Allow me a comment:
634 00:49:42 If through transport we lose Jewishprofessionals in the war industry,
635 00:49:48 and in exchange receive untrainedforeign labor, then there is no profit.
636 00:49:53 It won't be like that. Those that webenefit from will remain for the time being.
637 00:49:59 Overall, utility and workabilitywill play a greater role.
638 00:50:05 But if this is not the case,our patience has run out.
639 00:50:08 This was done in the insane asylumsand institutions for the disabled.
640 00:50:12 - We can't afford surprise guests.- A moment.
641 00:50:16 It was said that the Jews in the FinalSolution would receive special treatment.
642 00:50:21 And now you say they should work for us?
643 00:50:24 We get to decide, ifonly for planning reasons.
644 00:50:28 - Workers must be fed and housed.- Our plans include both things.
645 00:50:33 Able-bodied Jews are put to suitablework in the East under suitable leadership.
646 00:50:40 They will be led there in workcolumns to, for example, build roads.
647 00:50:46 There they will work for us. Quarryingstone, draining swamps and so on.
648 00:50:52 I recommend gender segregation soas not to exacerbate the Jewish problem.
649 00:50:58 - That's exactly how it's planned.- Fine. There is plenty of work.
650 00:51:03 In deed. The Germanization ofour newly won territories in the East
651 00:51:07 requires roads, factories, agricultureand housing for German settlers.
652 00:51:12 The Reichsf眉hrer-SS is also planning majorconstruction projects to secure the areas.
653 00:51:17 - So we have to agree.- But hard manual labor for Jews?
654 00:51:23 I know from experience thatwe shouldn't expect much here.
655 00:51:27 A majority of Jews work incommerce or in private occupations.
656 00:51:32 - Not directly with wall construction.- We will not spare them. Count on it.
657 00:51:38 A large part will fall awaydue to natural causes.
658 00:51:42 - It is carefully planned for.- And the ones that don't fall away?
659 00:51:47 These accumulated residues willultimately be properly processed.
660 00:51:52 They are arguablythe most resilient.
661 00:51:55 "Properly handled" means...?
662 00:51:58 Ask first best Jew. He knows the answer.
663 00:52:03 - Just so we're talking about the same thing.- I see no alternatives.
664 00:52:08 The most resistant mustreceive special treatment.
665 00:52:11 They can become the seedof a new Jewish structure.
666 00:52:15 History should be a warning to us.
667 00:52:18 The Romans expelled the Jews throughoutthe world, and saw the problem as solved.
668 00:52:22 - Did they think, yes.- Now we have to pay the price.
669 00:52:26 Anyone who wants a healthy public body mustnot shy away from eradicating harmful bacteria.
670 00:52:32 The Jew is the eternal parasite,spreading under favorable conditions.
671 00:52:38 A rotten mold that grows onthe cultures of healthy people.
672 00:52:42 It is a basic imperative forethnic, national and social hygiene
673 00:52:48 to completely eradicate the disease.
674 00:52:52 We intend to be thorough and without exception.
675 00:52:56 You have only spoken of able-bodied Jews.What is the plan for those who are not?
676 00:53:02 Good question. Considering the conditionsin our ghettos, it should be half.
677 00:53:06 - If not more.- We are gradually getting rid of them.
678 00:53:10 The necessary capacity is currently being built.
679 00:53:14 Then the goal of the journey is thesame for all Jews, able-bodied or not.
680 00:53:20 Exactly.
681 00:53:22 The solution to this problem willinvolve many personal tragedies,
682 00:53:29 but it is inevitable. This is the right timefor a final solution to the Jewish question.
683 00:53:35 Later generations will lack the powerof action and the awakened instinct.
684 00:53:41 What for us is a burden becomes for ourdescendants an advantage and a happiness.
685 00:53:47 - I already see a problem.- About what?
686 00:53:51 Special treatment fornon-working Jews means old, right?
687 00:53:57 And precisely among them are the Jewswho fought for Germany in the World War.
688 00:54:04 - Side by side with those of us who were there.- I don't remember fighting with Jews.
689 00:54:10 - No distinction was made then.- You probably didn't even notice it.
690 00:54:14 Considering this problem, we havefound a simple but effective method.
691 00:54:19 Eichmann.
692 00:54:23 Citizens over the age of 65,
693 00:54:26 Jews who were badly wounded duringthe war or those who were decorated
694 00:54:30 are not evacuated directly, buttransferred to ghettos for the elderly.
695 00:54:34 With this solution, many interventionsare eliminated in one fell swoop.
696 00:54:39 And where will this ghetto for oldpeople be located? Does it also fall on us?
697 00:54:43 Don't worry, you don't have to do it all alone.
698 00:54:46 The intended isTheresienstadt in my area.
699 00:54:49 I don't want to be blamedlater for not contributing
700 00:54:53 I would never suggest that.
701 00:54:55 Eichmann last visited Theresienstadtyesterday. The rebuilding is already underway.
702 00:55:00 Soon, several tens of thousands ofJews will be accommodated there.
703 00:55:05 As it is a former fortress, it iseasy to achieve maximum security.
704 00:55:11 The site consists of compact, well-built houses.
705 00:55:15 It is quite possible that wecan make it a show ghetto.
706 00:55:20 Incidentally, this solution can bevery reassuring for the population.
707 00:55:26 Magnificent! We give the Jewishcontrolled cruelty propaganda abroad
708 00:55:30 a concrete counter-evidence:the invitation to Theresienstadt.
709 00:55:34 Come and see how the Germans deal with the Jews.
710 00:55:38 Won't it be expensive? Housingfor tens of thousands of people?
711 00:55:42 It is being investigated whether it is possibleto charge the residents for the accommodation,
712 00:55:46 as well as the Jews we had to emigratethemselves paid for the transport.
713 00:55:51 God forbid we pay for the Jews.
714 00:55:54 But then we still have tens of thousands of Jews left.
715 00:55:58 Old Jews, Gruppenf眉hrer.Propagation is unlikely.
716 00:56:01 The problem resolvesitself biologically.
717 00:56:04 The old in the ghetto are, of course,ultimately transferred to the Final Solution.
718 00:56:09 Then I shouldn't have said anything.
719 00:56:11 Then my people will makeTheresienstadt a fantastic German colony.
720 00:56:17 Then it was settled too.I suggest a short break.
721 00:56:22 You have got an idea of鈥嬧€媡he basic features of our plan,
722 00:56:25 but two points await us whichare more ministerial matters.
723 00:56:30 You can stock up in the salon,and we'll continue in ten minutes.
724 00:56:39 There is much that awaits us.
725 00:57:02 - All the Jews of Europe. Who expected that?- In accordance with the F眉hrer's vision.
726 00:57:07 You will be able to tell your grandchildrenthat you witnessed world history.
727 00:57:14 Helped shape, I would say.
728 00:57:16 Am I seeing right? Salmon slices?
729 00:57:19 Availability at RSHA appears to be good.
730 00:57:31 Very friendly. Thanks.
731 00:57:33 - No one should complain about our working environment anymore.- No the opposite.
732 00:57:37 - Just think about our last music night.- How could I forget?
733 00:57:42 I would say we have a lot of fun. Welaugh more than in other departments.
734 00:57:47 I am glad to hear.
735 00:57:50 It's starting to move. Heydrichhas a firm grip on the helm.
736 00:57:56 He makes it look like thechaos of the last few months
737 00:58:00 was part of a great plan that is now being initiated.
738 00:58:03 Don't you think so?
739 00:58:05 I would say one thirdplan, two thirds chaos.
740 00:58:10 And the chaos is now plainlydeclared to have been part of the plan.
741 00:58:14 The pressure rises. Everyone wants to getrid of their Jews, but no one wants them.
742 00:58:19 Nobody wants to be a Jew today either.
743 00:58:23 - Gauleiter. - Dr. Freisler.
744 00:58:26 You said earlier that youwere at the F眉hrer's house.
745 00:58:29 In December, at a meeting withnational and party district leaders.
746 00:58:32 - Interesting? - What, exactly?
747 00:58:36 It may sound incredible, but Ihave never met our F眉hrer in person.
748 00:58:41 - Thus. - Oh really?
749 00:58:43 Do you think you couldput in a good word for me,
750 00:58:48 for a meeting with the F眉hrer? Anywhere.
751 00:58:51 Of course. I would love to.
752 00:58:58 - Shall I bring you something?- No thanks.
753 00:59:06 They seem to have swallowed the bitterest pills.
754 00:59:08 That we decide on the timingand extent of the evacuations.
755 00:59:12 We're not done yet. Don'tunderestimate Dr. Stuckart.
756 00:59:17 We haven't gotten to his favorite subject.
757 00:59:30 - I must admit that you surprised me.- Then my visit here is already worthwhile.
758 00:59:35 You are told that you will get millionsof new Jews and keep the mask.
759 00:59:39 It was an agreement. Youapprove of his leadership,
760 00:59:44 and he gives you the promise tobegin the final solution at your doorstep.
761 00:59:50 - I hope Heydrich keeps it.- What do you mean?
762 00:59:54 - It is an honor that it happens with us.- I know.
763 00:59:57 The Jewish question is the F眉hrer'spet child. Everyone wants to keep it.
764 01:00:02 I know Frank. He will eat you if youreturn to Krak贸w without promises.
765 01:00:08 Governor-General Frank ishappy to receive ten thousand Jews
766 01:00:12 if we get rid of twentythousand in the same breath.
767 01:00:14 - A deep breath.- We were promised large-scale measures.
768 01:00:18 I heard that.
769 01:00:26 I am not authorized to speak about it.
770 01:01:01 Peacefully.
771 01:01:04 Very.
772 01:01:08 Heinz R眉hmann lives here somewhere.
773 01:01:11 Speer too.
774 01:01:15 Down there is Max Liebermann's villa.
775 01:01:20 - The painter.- I know. Jewish Impressionist.
776 01:01:26 - You are an educated man.- And it surprises you.
777 01:01:30 - Considering my duties in the East.- You often hear that.
778 01:01:34 Occasionally.
779 01:01:38 Could you have dreamed it? That youwould suddenly change your desk in Berlin
780 01:01:44 against service in Poland?
781 01:01:48 You get to experience what is decidedbehind the desk. What is wrong with that?
782 01:01:55 What is happening in the east...
783 01:02:00 One hears that it is degenerating.Brutality. Arquebusing pits.
784 01:02:06 I see it as a craft. Youlearn and then you can.
785 01:02:10 Some better, others worse.
786 01:02:12 How are your men doing?
787 01:02:15 Every day these promotions. Entire villages.
788 01:02:23 We emphasize the necessity of the mission.
789 01:02:26 The rest is done through habitand an extra ration of brandy.
790 01:02:30 The brandy blurs the impressions from the day.
791 01:02:34 You must intervene only when theybellow during work. They shoot wrong.
792 01:02:38 Then the half-dead fight theirway out of the pits during the night,
793 01:02:42 and you have to shoot them again the next morning.
794 01:02:47 - I didn't mean to offend you.- You were in the trenches yourself, weren't you?
795 01:02:52 We shot at soldiers, notat women and children.
796 01:02:57 I have a husband who prefers to shoot children,
797 01:03:00 since they wouldn't survivewithout their parents anyway.
798 01:03:04 He thinks he is doing the children a favor.
799 01:03:08 It makes sense, doesn't it?
800 01:03:25 The conference continues.
801 01:03:44 I hope you feel empowered. Wenow come to a central question,
802 01:03:49 namely the determination of whichgroups are suitable for evacuation.
803 01:03:53 Which ones are current for ourtransports and which are not?
804 01:03:57 Clarification is needed hereregarding Jews living abroad,
805 01:04:00 Jews of mixed race and intermarriage.
806 01:04:02 I cannot agree.
807 01:04:04 Jews of mixed race and intermarriageare regulated by our Jewish laws.
808 01:04:09 - Our perceptions differ.- But now I'm talking about laws.
809 01:04:15 For the sake of simplicity,we start with Jews abroad.
810 01:04:18 Under Secretary of StateLuther, please brief us.
811 01:04:24 Foreign Jews.
812 01:04:26 About 40,000 Jews with foreignpassports are on German soil.
813 01:04:31 - Oh dear! What are some?- They must know that they are not welcome.
814 01:04:37 It's mainly about Hungarian, Czechand maybe Slovak Jews, isn't it?
815 01:04:42 That's right. We got most ofthem at the union with Austria.
816 01:04:47 Tell us we can change that!
817 01:04:49 We can, at least when it comesto citizens of enemy countries.
818 01:04:53 But for Jews from friendly countriesor countries under our influence
819 01:04:57 do we see it as polite to atleast ask the governments
820 01:05:02 if we may include their Jewishcitizens in our companies.
821 01:05:06 Who would turn down an offer like that?
822 01:05:09 It's like asking a neighbor ifyou can shovel his manure too.
823 01:05:14 Slovakia and Croatia have agreed.Romania and Bulgaria are well on their way.
824 01:05:20 Do they give us freeaccess to their citizens?
825 01:05:23 They have no objections.Only Hungary opposes it,
826 01:05:26 and Slovakia claimsthe assets of the Jews.
827 01:05:31 - Why doesn't it surprise me?- Money doesn't smell.
828 01:05:34 - Maybe we can do them that service.- The office of the four-year plan?
829 01:05:39 If it speeds up deportation,we must not be petty.
830 01:05:44 - It is likely not large sums.- Thank you for your courtesy.
831 01:05:49 You heard. Apart from the Hungarians,we can get rid of all foreign Jews.
832 01:05:54 - How is the situation in France?- Herr Eichmann apparently knows something new here.
833 01:05:59 The Wehrmacht has accepted thenecessity of our measures of force.
834 01:06:03 Jews who fled the kingdom have beeninterned, and transports will soon begin.
835 01:06:09 With the French Jews we should wait a little.
836 01:06:11 So, Eichmann now worksat the Foreign Ministry?
837 01:06:14 It is called interministerial cooperation.
838 01:06:17 Let's stick to the topic.Belgium? Holland?
839 01:06:20 Throughout Western andSoutheastern Europe, we can act freely.
840 01:06:24 - Fine. We will do what is necessary.- It's been noted.
841 01:06:28 But I see difficulties in the north.Denmark, Norway and Finland.
842 01:06:33 Why right there?
843 01:06:35 For some reason, it is difficult to convincethe population of the danger of the Jews.
844 01:06:42 What do you suggest?
845 01:06:43 Ignore for now. The numbers are dropping.
846 01:06:46 We don't usually put things off,
847 01:06:49 but as long as we are busy withJews from other countries, it will be fine.
848 01:06:54 What shall we do with Hungary?
849 01:06:56 It is time to force on the government oneof our chosen advisers on Jewish matters.
850 01:07:03 Perhaps one of your staff,Obersturmbannf眉hrer? Can you spare someone?
851 01:07:08 Maybe I can help?
852 01:07:11 The Central Bureau of Race and Settlement maysend an assistant to the police attache there.
853 01:07:17 Sure, why not? So we do.
854 01:07:18 Excuse. Should our foreign policynow be shaped by Herr Hofmann's staff?
855 01:07:23 Don't get excited. We are talkingabout an advisor, not a new ambassador.
856 01:07:28 An adviser with no diplomatic experience.
857 01:07:30 But he has experience with Jewishaffairs. Surely that must also count?
858 01:07:36 I am irritated by the liberality with whichsome agencies sacrifice their expertise.
859 01:07:41 It's no big deal to me. Themain thing is that it gets decided.
860 01:07:46 It would be nice if something went easily.
861 01:07:48 I don't call the gardenerwhen I need a roofer.
862 01:07:51 I refuse that. We have a lot ofpeople with international experience.
863 01:07:56 So you see it. I do notconsider all equally suitable.
864 01:08:00 If you're going to talk aboutresponsibilities, please stick to yours.
865 01:08:05 Let UndersecretaryLuther do his thing.
866 01:08:08 We do as we are told. Arethe Jews abroad finished?
867 01:08:12 It can be relatively easy to presenta Jew-free Serbia to the F眉hrer.
868 01:08:19 - Interesting. Continue.- Maybe later in a smaller group?
869 01:08:22 Better now in a smallergroup. M眉ller. Eichmann.
870 01:08:41 - How many are we talking about?- 6,000-8,000. Only women and children.
871 01:08:45 - Why no male Jews?- Already shot as a hostage.
872 01:08:49 - A hundred dead for one dead German.- I remember. An effective measure, Eichmann.
873 01:08:54 Thank you, Obergruppenf眉hrer.
874 01:08:57 - Serbian government?- We don't have to think about it.
875 01:09:00 Who do we give the command to?
876 01:09:03 Maybe Sch盲fer. He who blewup the radio mast in Gliwice.
877 01:09:08 - Yes, a good fellow.- He gets the gas wagons going to Riga.
878 01:09:12 - Mr. Lange will not like that.- Lange can improvise. We do so.
879 01:09:17 - Understood.- I make sure it happens.
880 01:09:31 We have one last item left on the agenda:
881 01:09:34 The treatment of mixedrace Jews and intermarriage.
882 01:09:37 Here, Dr. Stuckart, your opinion isnot only requested, but necessary.
883 01:09:43 As said, the processing is bestregulated by the applicable laws.
884 01:09:47 Of course. After all, it's your laws.
885 01:09:50 They will form thebasis of our conversation.
886 01:09:54 This is binding legislation,not a basis for discussion.
887 01:09:59 Even laws become outdatedand need to be re-evaluated.
888 01:10:02 Like re-wallpapering whenyou get tired of the color?
889 01:10:05 We should recognize that today the people andthe race must be categories in our action.
890 01:10:11 The people need a reliablelegal system, which I defend.
891 01:10:16 Right is what is useful to people.
892 01:10:19 What does it mean if it contradictsthe common sense of the people?
893 01:10:23 Exactly. Let's not make things morecomplicated than they already are.
894 01:10:27 Sure, but not easier either.Where do you see a need for action?
895 01:10:32 According to the Nuremberg Laws, half-Jews wereexempted from evacuation and special treatment.
896 01:10:38 Will there be a change to that?
897 01:10:40 There have been discussions betweenus, the party and individual ministries.
898 01:10:45 I have asked the party office tosummarize these conversations.
899 01:10:49 Dr. Klopfer.
900 01:10:50 The party's line is clear.
901 01:10:53 Jews, half-Jews and quarter-Jewsare ultimately seen as Jews.
902 01:10:59 They cannot be tolerated in the commonwealth.
903 01:11:02 The distinction between goodand bad Jews, full- and half-Jews,
904 01:11:08 no longer serves any purpose.
905 01:11:10 I agree, and then Ispeak for the entire SS,
906 01:11:13 for public hygiene andconsolidation of the race's territory.
907 01:11:16 We know that. And what do you think?
908 01:11:19 A working document has beenprepared. I would like to read it.
909 01:11:23 You are welcome:
910 01:11:24 First: First degree mixed race Jews
911 01:11:27 equated with Jews withrespect to the Final Solution.
912 01:11:31 - Rejected.- Listen first, for God's sake!
913 01:11:33 It already violates existing laws.
914 01:11:36 They are not equated withJews. They have German blood.
915 01:11:39 - But the aim is to change that.- It's not that simple.
916 01:11:43 We cannot sit here and decide thathalf-Jews should have the yellow star,
917 01:11:48 that they may not walk inGerman forests or have a canary.
918 01:11:52 - And certainly not evacuated to the East.- A working document, as I said.
919 01:11:57 - And there are exceptions in the draft.- Right.
920 01:12:03 Exceptions are mixed race Jews ofthe first degree married to German blood.
921 01:12:08 - I assume that.- As long as they have children, that is, quarter Jews.
922 01:12:12 So generous.
923 01:12:14 In other ways, our proposalmeets your requirements.
924 01:12:18 Second-degree mixed-race Jews, quarterJews, are counted as having German blood.
925 01:12:25 Wait a minute... Why?
926 01:12:28 Unless they are the childrenof two Jews of mixed race,
927 01:12:33 has an unfavorably Jewish appearance
928 01:12:36 or prove by their behavior thatthey should be considered Jews.
929 01:12:40 - I'm starting to lose track.- I see the proposal as fully feasible.
930 01:12:44 May I ask for your spontaneous opinion?
931 01:12:47 From a foreign policy point of view, itdoes not matter whether they stay or leave.
932 01:12:51 The Marshal certainlyhas no objections,
933 01:12:55 as long as we don't loseprofessionals in the war industry.
934 01:12:59 - That must be taken into account.- I also see a half-Jew as a Jew.
935 01:13:03 It is possible, legally speaking,to expand the definition of a Jew,
936 01:13:08 but why worry about Jewish lawswhen there will soon be no Jews?
937 01:13:13 Interesting stance fromthe Ministry of Justice.
938 01:13:17 In the East, we still cannotmake such fine distinctions.
939 01:13:21 We often don't even see if someone isJewish, let alone half- or quarter-Jewish.
940 01:13:26 But now we are the GermanReich, and here the law still applies.
941 01:13:30 You have to admit that the Ministry of theInterior is clearly isolated on the matter.
942 01:13:35 What do you hope to achieve with the changes?
943 01:13:38 Simplification, as always.Clear, quick decisions.
944 01:13:42 You accomplish the exactopposite. Returning to individual trial鈥?
945 01:13:47 We are talking about tens of thousands of cases.
946 01:13:50 - How many half-Jews are there in the kingdom?- Around 70,000.
947 01:13:55 Then add quarters, and ourofficials have been busy for years.
948 01:14:01 If you had written better laws, wewould have escaped the problem.
949 01:14:04 I didn't write them myself,and that's not true anyway.
950 01:14:07 A half-Jew who behaves like aJew, that is, follows the Mosaic faith
951 01:14:11 or is married to a non-Jewish person, is treatedas a non-Jewish person according to existing law.
952 01:14:16 Nothing prevents evacuation.
953 01:14:18 - How many of these are there in the kingdom?- About 8,000.
954 01:14:22 Eight trains. Then we have over 60,000 left.
955 01:14:26 The majority of these half-Jews seethemselves as part of German society.
956 01:14:29 - They renounce the faith even internally.- To protect yourself.
957 01:14:33 Thousands of them have proventhemselves in our armed forces.
958 01:14:37 - How many? - Around 10,000.
959 01:14:39 I still want to get rid of another 60,000.
960 01:14:41 Don't forget the SS comrades who were foundto have Jewish blood during racial testing.
961 01:14:47 - Tragic cases, indeed.- But not a significant number.
962 01:14:51 But in the mixed races theGerman blood predominates.
963 01:14:55 Should they be included in the final solution?
964 01:14:58 - We can make exceptions in special cases.- Yes, but let's think further.
965 01:15:04 According to you, a half-Jew who has childrenwith a German wife should not be evacuated.
966 01:15:09 - Good God! - I do not follow.
967 01:15:11 A half-Jew with a German wife andchildren? True, he is not evacuated.
968 01:15:16 Now let's imagine that this half-Jew hasa brother, who is of course also half-Jew,
969 01:15:22 but he is not married and has no children. Shouldhe be evacuated according to your suggestion?
970 01:15:27 - Yes.- How do you explain it to the family?
971 01:15:29 To the Aryan sister-in-law?The Aryan relatives?
972 01:15:33 - Everything can be dramatized.- No, I'm just thinking it through.
973 01:15:37 We cannot treat quarter-Jewsas of German blood
974 01:15:40 but evacuate theirhalf-Jewish family to the East.
975 01:15:45 How do you explain to thequarterback on leave from the front
976 01:15:48 that his half-Jewish family on the platformopposite being sent east in a cattle car?
977 01:15:53 All are individual cases.
978 01:15:56 I have to agree with Dr. Stuckart.
979 01:16:00 Even the F眉hrer believes that it is of theutmost importance not to worry the population.
980 01:16:05 I want to remind you about theeuthanasia program. It caused a stir.
981 01:16:10 - Dr. Stuckart complicates matters.- It's complicated.
982 01:16:15 The F眉hrer knows this and has thereforegiven no other instructions on the matter.
983 01:16:20 But maybe you are smarterthan the F眉hrer on this point?
984 01:16:24 The F眉hrer wants the final solution. EverythingJewish must be driven out of the body of the people.
985 01:16:30 Your proposal creates intolerable situations.
986 01:16:33 In extreme cases, it leads to chaos,and out of chaos grows resistance.
987 01:16:38 We don't want mixed race Jews as enemies.
988 01:16:40 The half-Jew is a more dangerous enemy,with his high-value Germanic heritage.
989 01:16:45 High-ranking half-Jews?
990 01:16:50 - Do you also have a constructive suggestion?- Very good question.
991 01:16:53 My suggestion is to do nothing.
992 01:17:09 We should do nothing at all.
993 01:17:12 - You've got to be kidding.- Half-Jews can only marry Germans.
994 01:17:17 Purely biologically, the Jewishpart decreases with each generation.
995 01:17:21 - Children of half-Jews are already quarter-Jews.- But then we won't be finished for a hundred years.
996 01:17:26 Half Jew. Quarter seventh.
997 01:17:29 If I don't like the nose,it's Jewish enough.
998 01:17:33 A bit coarse, isn't it?
999 01:17:35 In any case, no one canunderstand that I like Jews.
1000 01:17:39 I know you are accomplishing a lot in the East.
1001 01:17:43 But don't think I'm doing less here justbecause I'm not wading in Jewish blood.
1002 01:17:49 Without us and our laws, the GermanReich would not be where it is today.
1003 01:17:54 No one doubts yourcommitment, Dr. Stuckart.
1004 01:17:58 That said, we try to simplifythings as much as possible.
1005 01:18:03 In that case, I suggest sterilization.
1006 01:18:09 Sterilization? How should I understand it?
1007 01:18:14 Forced sterilization of allmixed-race Jews, without exception.
1008 01:18:18 Cheaper than deportation and absolutelysufficient from a racial hygiene point of view.
1009 01:18:26 An interesting suggestion, Dr. Stuckart.
1010 01:18:30 All biologically dangerous elementswould be prevented from procreating.
1011 01:18:35 The risk of breed deterioration is eliminated.
1012 01:18:38 Is it technically feasibleon such a large scale?
1013 01:18:42 It needs to be evaluated. Faced withthe choice to be evacuated or sterilized
1014 01:18:48 a Jew of mixed race willundoubtedly prefer sterilization.
1015 01:18:53 Their blood will die out,but we keep them as labor.
1016 01:18:58 A tailor-made solution.
1017 01:19:01 Forced divorces would also be conceivable.
1018 01:19:04 You wanted to simplify things. There you have it.
1019 01:19:08 Here are some more suggestionsregarding intermarriage,
1020 01:19:13 that is, between German-blooded and all-Jews.
1021 01:19:16 We're taking a break.
1022 01:19:21 Dr. Stuckart.
1023 01:19:48 In the lounge there is freshlybrewed coffee, desserts and cognac.
1024 01:19:52 We'll continue in a few minutes.
1025 01:20:03 The Working Paper on MixedRace Jews. Add it to the record.
1026 01:20:38 You have good argumentsand know how to present them.
1027 01:20:43 Yet you insist on the matter.
1028 01:20:46 Sometimes, if I'm being honest...
1029 01:20:51 Sometimes I wonder if you oppose ourproposals because of your good arguments
1030 01:20:59 or because it is precisely yourlaws that we are discussing here.
1031 01:21:02 I wish you didn't see us lawyersjust as brake pads on your train.
1032 01:21:09 - My authority is full of lawyers.- Of a different kind.
1033 01:21:12 Like Dr. Sch枚ngarth and Dr. Lange.
1034 01:21:15 I value dedication andwillingness to trade.
1035 01:21:19 I have less use for lawyerswho complicate and sow doubt.
1036 01:21:25 Thinking is good, but acting is better.
1037 01:21:29 Action without thought accomplishes nothing.Then you throw the baby out with the bathwater.
1038 01:21:39 Forced sterilization?
1039 01:21:43 Do you mean it? Or are you suggestingit because it takes months to evaluate?
1040 01:21:49 Like you, I see myself asdevoted to the F眉hrer's cause.
1041 01:21:53 I am not speaking against your final solution,
1042 01:21:56 but only for an orderlydeprivation of rights.
1043 01:22:00 I have the greatest respect for what youhave done at the National Security Board.
1044 01:22:05 An ideologically stable,combative administration
1045 01:22:08 prepared for radical intervention. But don'tforget that all of Germany is not like that.
1046 01:22:14 People need rules andnorms, clarity and orientation.
1047 01:22:19 The knowledge that everything has its order.
1048 01:22:22 Thanks so much. We will investigate the matter.
1049 01:22:27 Thanks.
1050 01:22:36 Apart from that, of course you areright. I have written a huge set of laws.
1051 01:22:42 If you take it away from me, I mightas well go to the office without pants.
1052 01:22:46 Of course, we mustprevent that at all costs.
1053 01:22:53 Has your wife made herself at home?
1054 01:22:55 Last time I got the impressionthat she didn't like Prague.
1055 01:22:59 It was over a long timeago. The other day she said:
1056 01:23:03 "I am a princess who lives in a castle."
1057 01:23:06 I am glad to hear.
1058 01:23:10 - And you? When will the increase come?- There are a few weeks left.
1059 01:23:19 - Come visit us.- As soon as it can be arranged.
1060 01:23:25 Are you planning to move your familyhere after the war? The house suits you.
1061 01:23:33 - Possibly.- Then we would become neighbors.
1062 01:23:37 Our children can swim together in the Wannsee.
1063 01:23:45 A beautiful thought.
1064 01:23:47 The Reichsf眉hrer-SS and theGovernor General had a clear agreement.
1065 01:23:52 It is my right to insistthat it be observed.
1066 01:23:56 You heard Obergruppenf眉hrerHeydrich. I can't do more.
1067 01:23:59 We have no interest in being responsiblefor the misery of another million Jews.
1068 01:24:06 I can't come up with it.
1069 01:24:18 I'm going to have a cup of coffee. Do you also want?
1070 01:24:21 I thought we were going to work here.
1071 01:24:40 Gentlemen, we proceed.
1072 01:24:43 Let's stay here. We'll be donesoon. We can move on to the informal.
1073 01:24:48 - My documents, please.- If it is okay.
1074 01:24:50 Dr. Stuckart and Ihad a fruitful exchange.
1075 01:24:54 Do you have any questions?
1076 01:24:57 I feel I have to ask again aboutthe progress of the final solution,
1077 01:25:04 and I must repeat how necessary it is
1078 01:25:07 to initiate the relief measureswith us in the General Government.
1079 01:25:12 Why not with us?
1080 01:25:14 We cannot stand for the largest spaceand become the kingdom's garbage dump,
1081 01:25:19 where everyone sends theirJews, gypsies and misfits,
1082 01:25:25 while we are left with our ownJews. Diseases, black trade, crime...
1083 01:25:29 Sure, Dr. B眉hler. So that you don'tstir things up again: Polish Jews first.
1084 01:25:35 - Excuse me?- You have my promise.
1085 01:25:38 We start in the General Government.Say hello to Governor General Frank.
1086 01:25:43 May I take it that thisagreement is on the record?
1087 01:25:48 - Obersturmbannf眉hrer?- It is recorded.
1088 01:25:51 May I assume that the Governor-General willnot get in the way of our plans any more?
1089 01:25:56 That we lead the final solution?
1090 01:26:00 - No more questions.- Thankfully.
1091 01:26:05 But I have a question. I don'twant to spoil the cheerful mood,
1092 01:26:10 but since the beginning of the meeting Ihave asked myself a fundamental question.
1093 01:26:15 - Just ask. - Thanks.
1094 01:26:18 You said a lot about the final solution,but not much about concrete solutions.
1095 01:26:24 I guess the RSHA know what they are doing.
1096 01:26:28 I'm just wondering if we're talking abouta statement of intent or realistic goals.
1097 01:26:34 I assure you that we arenot building castles in the air.
1098 01:26:38 If you will allow me...
1099 01:26:39 I have made calculations basedon reports from the response teams.
1100 01:26:45 Take, for example, the special treatmentof Ukrainian Jews in late September,
1101 01:26:50 conducted by Task Force Cunder Obergruppenf眉hrer Jeckeln.
1102 01:26:54 - One of our best.- I mean the measures against the Jews in Kiev.
1103 01:27:00 The Jewish population cooperatedthanks to appeasement measures,
1104 01:27:05 and a natural gully couldbe used for disposal.
1105 01:27:09 So there was no need to dig pits.
1106 01:27:12 I heard about it, Babij Jar Ravine.
1107 01:27:14 - 6th Army participated, under von Reichenau.- May he rest in peace.
1108 01:27:18 That's what I want to get to. Youcould say it was ideal conditions.
1109 01:27:25 Nevertheless, the specialtreatment took 33,771 Jews
1110 01:27:31 36 hours to complete.
1111 01:27:34 A thousand an hour. What is wrong with that?
1112 01:27:37 938 to be exact.
1113 01:27:40 If one then counts on Obersturmbannf眉hrerEichmann's figure of eleven million,
1114 01:27:46 it will be 11,720 hours,
1115 01:27:51 or 488 days.
1116 01:27:55 Where do you want to go?
1117 01:27:58 Our men would have to do whatwas done in Babij Jar for 488 days,
1118 01:28:04 day and night without interruption.
1119 01:28:07 Shoot Jews for 488 days.
1120 01:28:10 Old, women and children. 938 per hour.
1121 01:28:14 Please, your calculationis quite hypothetical.
1122 01:28:18 The work rests on manyaxes in different places.
1123 01:28:22 But we are talking abouteleven million cartridges.
1124 01:28:28 Only if every shot hits.
1125 01:28:30 We agree that we cannotachieve it by arquebusing.
1126 01:28:34 For that reason, we now buildfacilities whose sole purpose is
1127 01:28:39 to tackle this numerical problem.
1128 01:28:42 Maybe it's because I'm olderthan most here - or a priest's son,
1129 01:28:49 but for me it is also a moral issue.
1130 01:28:53 Sorry, but I don't have to listen tothat. "Poor Jews. Women and children."
1131 01:28:59 We're doing our duty, andyou shouldn't throw crap at us.
1132 01:29:02 - You misunderstand me.- I understand very well.
1133 01:29:05 You gave in to Comrade Langewith your nonsense about humanity.
1134 01:29:09 I must firmly defend the comrades.
1135 01:29:12 The punishment of the Jews mayseem barbaric, but they deserved it.
1136 01:29:17 I'm surprised we're talking aboutthis again. It's about self-defense.
1137 01:29:24 Otherwise the Jews will destroy us.
1138 01:29:27 Please, I don'tworry about the Jews.
1139 01:29:30 I know that the end of historyis written for the Jewish race.
1140 01:29:34 I only worry about our soldiers
1141 01:29:37 and the psychological burden thatthe Final Solution places on them.
1142 01:29:43 For the Wehrmacht, SS and Ordnungspolizei?
1143 01:29:46 It is about young people whoare not yet fully developed.
1144 01:29:51 We were like that once too.
1145 01:29:54 Experiences like the special treatment in Kyiv,
1146 01:29:58 a mountain with over 33,000 people,
1147 01:30:01 that inevitably leads to rudeness.
1148 01:30:05 Sadism. Mental illness and alcoholism.
1149 01:30:09 I can speak for my menand say we know our craft.
1150 01:30:13 We shoot from behind with bayonets on whenthey are on their knees. We rarely miss.
1151 01:30:18 Imagine an orderly process.
1152 01:30:21 So be it, but we want them toreturn as healthy German men.
1153 01:30:27 Real husbands for Germanwives. Fathers of German children.
1154 01:30:31 In our military hospitals the number of casesof nervous diseases is very much increasing,
1155 01:30:36 triggered by the difficult experiences in the East.
1156 01:30:40 It cannot be denied. I was toldthat some of the men who attended
1157 01:30:45 were in worse condition than those who had been shot.
1158 01:30:48 "Crudeness". "Sadism".
1159 01:30:51 Although one must bemerciless to the Jew in his service
1160 01:30:56 is he still a decent German.
1161 01:30:59 I can confirm that. Thereis certainly a rough tone,
1162 01:31:03 but no one steals, swears,fights, or behaves dishonorably.
1163 01:31:09 No one doubts your decency.
1164 01:31:12 But I thank the Ministerial Council forhis question. It is important to consider.
1165 01:31:17 Some who have just enthusiasticallyadvocated the final solution
1166 01:31:22 become completely silent whenthey actually see the final solution.
1167 01:31:27 The Reichsf眉hrer-SS, if I may interject,witnessed an arquebusing himself
1168 01:31:32 and immediately gave ordersto find a more humane method.
1169 01:31:36 More humane? For our men, then?
1170 01:31:40 Of course.
1171 01:31:42 I promised that after ourmeeting you would understand
1172 01:31:46 that we can answer any questionsassociated with the final solution.
1173 01:31:50 Obersturmbannf眉hrer.
1174 01:31:52 Behind the front line or where railtransport would be too expensive
1175 01:31:57 we can't do without arquebusing.
1176 01:32:00 But for the final solution,the method is too ineffective
1177 01:32:03 and also negatively affectsthe effectiveness of our men.
1178 01:32:08 - The effectiveness of my men is...- Dr. Sch枚ngarth, I beg you.
1179 01:32:13 The other methods, which aremore effective and less mentally taxing
1180 01:32:20 is based on findings from the euthanasiaprogram at Zentraldienststelle T4.
1181 01:32:24 - "Operation mercy killing"?- It had to be canceled when people protested.
1182 01:32:28 And the churches. They politely stay outof the way regarding the Jewish transports,
1183 01:32:33 but there was much shouting about the lunatics.
1184 01:32:35 But they still managed about 70,000.
1185 01:32:38 When it shut down theystarted working for us.
1186 01:32:42 Excuse. When we talk about Brack'smethods, are we talking about gas?
1187 01:32:47 - That's right.- What other means can give such high quotas?
1188 01:32:51 Those of us who participated in theWorld War have experienced what it means.
1189 01:32:55 Gas. Poison gas. Whenlying in the trenches.
1190 01:33:00 I don't know what you think,but to me the idea is hideous.
1191 01:33:05 It was over 20 yearsago. A lot has happened.
1192 01:33:08 Last month I inspectedthe Kulmhof camp,
1193 01:33:11 and the Be艂偶ec camp,under Hauptsturmf眉hrer Wirth.
1194 01:33:14 Both use carbon monoxide.
1195 01:33:16 In Kulmhof, special wagons withairtight superstructures are used.
1196 01:33:20 In Be艂偶ec, there are rooms where gas ispiped from cylinders or armored car engines.
1197 01:33:26 We also have new discoveriesfrom Obersturmbannf眉hrer H枚ss.
1198 01:33:30 Who?
1199 01:33:32 Commandant of a camp for Russianprisoners of war in eastern Upper Silesia.
1200 01:33:35 The Obergruppenf眉hrer mentioned it. Auschwitz.
1201 01:33:39 H枚ss's staff has achieved promising results
1202 01:33:42 with an agent used forpest control, Zyklon B.
1203 01:33:47 Pest control? Interesting.
1204 01:33:49 Cargo holds on ships,silos... Large-scale disinfection.
1205 01:33:53 - Appropriate.- And to contaminated uniforms.
1206 01:33:58 The active substance ishydrocyanic acid bound in granules.
1207 01:34:02 On contact with air, afast-acting gas is released.
1208 01:34:05 An accidental discovery. Therewere accidents due to improper use.
1209 01:34:10 So the comrades came up with it.
1210 01:34:13 And so we make the wrongpractice the right practice.
1211 01:34:17 Right.
1212 01:34:18 We receive the granules inpractical containers, pre-portioned.
1213 01:34:23 The manufacturer can also provideit without adding warning substances.
1214 01:34:28 When you notice the gas, it's too late.
1215 01:34:31 According to H枚ss, last year's gassing of 900Russian prisoners of war was extremely successful.
1216 01:34:37 What will it be then? Carbon monoxide or hydrocyanic acid.
1217 01:34:41 H枚ss is convinced of his method.
1218 01:34:44 It is still a thought experiment, but itwould be possible to transform Auschwitz,
1219 01:34:49 from Russians to Jews.
1220 01:34:51 I intend to propose to the Reichsf眉hrer-SSthat we move forward on all tracks.
1221 01:34:55 Competition stimulates business.
1222 01:34:59 How can we imaginethese processes in detail?
1223 01:35:03 As I said, the Jews cometo the facilities by train.
1224 01:35:07 They are then sorted according to workability and hand over their possessions.
1225 01:35:12 Under the guise of disinfection, theyare then led to airtight gas chambers.
1226 01:35:19 The active substance is supplied from outside.
1227 01:35:22 The process itself, if performed correctly,is completed in ten to fifteen minutes.
1228 01:35:28 This is followed by ventilation ofthe chamber, removal and disposal.
1229 01:35:34 We plan combustion inhighly efficient furnaces.
1230 01:35:38 In Auschwitz, models are alreadybeing built by Topf & S枚hne,
1231 01:35:41 although of course we haveto expand capacity significantly.
1232 01:35:45 From train to gas? Sothere is no need for housing?
1233 01:35:51 Extremely effective!
1234 01:35:54 But don't these facilities risk causingconcern among the population in the area?
1235 01:35:59 Just what I need - riot.
1236 01:36:01 We value geographical distance.
1237 01:36:03 The facilities require facades andundeveloped areas in the direction of the wind
1238 01:36:08 to avoid disturbing odors.
1239 01:36:10 - How many facilities are there?- Kulmhof is already relieving Litzmannstadt.
1240 01:36:16 Be艂偶ec will soon be ready for operation.
1241 01:36:18 In the camp in Sobib贸r, construction will beginsoon. An area near Treblinka is being considered,
1242 01:36:23 and Auschwitz is, as I said, a possibility.
1243 01:36:26 - Do we have enough people for that many?- The operation is not personnel-intensive.
1244 01:36:32 Especially if we use Jewsand labor from outside.
1245 01:36:34 Our men are mainly to keep orderand release the necessary gas.
1246 01:36:41 But the sight of all the corpses,the transport to the ovens...
1247 01:36:45 It is carried out by working Jews,who later also receive special treatment.
1248 01:36:50 Elegant.
1249 01:36:53 And is the facility's capacitysufficient for the task?
1250 01:36:57 We are in the planning phase. Wemust find and optimize the processes.
1251 01:37:02 But there are no technical obstacles to buildingairtight chambers for a thousand people.
1252 01:37:07 In Auschwitz there isroom for several chambers,
1253 01:37:11 so that we can always managea fully loaded train in one round.
1254 01:37:16 The process can of course berepeated several times a day.
1255 01:37:21 The Council of Ministers looks skeptical.
1256 01:37:26 This might solveour math problems,
1257 01:37:31 but how exactly is itbetter than arquebusing?
1258 01:37:36 I have witnessed executions in the East andthe use of the special carriages in Kulmhof,
1259 01:37:41 and I'm not ashamed tosay that both make me sick.
1260 01:37:44 But the stationary facilitiesenable a structured division of labor.
1261 01:37:50 The person concerned and the person carryingout the process barely come into contact.
1262 01:37:54 No closeness andnothing to arouse pity.
1263 01:37:57 I and all the expertsinvolved are convinced:
1264 01:38:00 This enables a pleasant technical,efficient and anonymous process.
1265 01:38:05 Our men can do it in anextremely detached manner.
1266 01:38:09 - Very impressive.- The whole thing sounds well thought out.
1267 01:38:13 - In deed.- We are convinced of that.
1268 01:38:17 - Do you share that assessment?- Well, yes...
1269 01:38:21 If it really spares us thecarnage of arquebusing
1270 01:38:25 and our men are spared,then it is a great relief to me.
1271 01:38:31 The knowledge that wehave all done all we could,
1272 01:38:35 although I would have preferredif the Jews just went up in smoke.
1273 01:38:40 Who wouldn't rather live in peace?
1274 01:38:43 But fate has chosen ourgeneration to complete this task.
1275 01:38:48 We can't refuse justbecause it's disgusting.
1276 01:38:52 We are the doctors of the German people.
1277 01:38:56 No doctor likes sawingoff the leg of his patient,
1278 01:39:00 but what if it is the onlyway to save the patient's life.
1279 01:39:07 Gentlemen, with that we are done.
1280 01:39:11 If there are no more questions, I suggestthat you as authority representatives
1281 01:39:16 continue the conversations with your advisors.
1282 01:39:18 My advisor IV B4 willcontact your subdivisions.
1283 01:39:24 - Are we getting a protocol?- Also through us.
1284 01:39:27 Then I thank you forcoming and pray once more
1285 01:39:31 about your continued supportto implement the final solution.
1286 01:39:38 That is all.
1287 01:39:57 - My notes, Obersturmbannf眉hrer.- We summarize it in the minutes.
1288 01:40:01 - Can you give them to me this afternoon?- I'll put a white paper on your desk.
1289 01:40:06 I'll call a car thatcan drive you to town.
1290 01:40:12 - Good job, Eichmann.- Thank you, Gruppenf眉hrer.
1291 01:40:27 - Interesting day.- Some things should be left to the younger ones to handle.
1292 01:40:33 We'll see what happenswith the big plans.
1293 01:40:36 I hope you didn't take offenseto my working document.
1294 01:40:40 We are civil servants andhave a duty to our agencies.
1295 01:40:44 I have spent so many yearsof my life with Jewish laws
1296 01:40:48 that I would like to avoid.
1297 01:40:51 - You're not giving up, are you?- Not without a fight.
1298 01:40:54 I say goodbye. I haveanother meeting in four hours.
1299 01:40:58 Restructuring of the Ministry of Posts.
1300 01:41:00 - You are certainly persistent.- We all have to make sacrifices.
1301 01:41:15 It wasn't that dangerous.
1302 01:41:17 My need for conferences issatisfied for the time being.
1303 01:41:25 - You did well. - Well, yes...
1304 01:41:32 I know of some fineestablishments in Berlin
1305 01:41:35 where you can recoverin the most pleasant way.
1306 01:41:40 It sounds interesting.
1307 01:42:00 - Do you want one too?- I won't say no to that.
1308 01:42:09 Thanks.
1309 01:42:12 A brandy, Obergruppenf眉hrer?
1310 01:42:14 I have more meetings,but don't let me stop you.
1311 01:42:19 I hope you are satisfied.
1312 01:42:21 Consent in the highest circles,and no one doubts our leadership.
1313 01:42:26 A successful event.
1314 01:42:28 - The protocol as usual?- First to me.
1315 01:42:30 - Thirty copies?- Sent as classified.
1316 01:42:34 Use formal language as usual.We don't want to scare anyone.
1317 01:42:38 But the gentlemen should be able toread what they have been involved in.
1318 01:42:42 - No one should be able to say he didn't know.- Understood.
1319 01:42:47 Good. Today's goal achieved.It was worth returning to Berlin.
1320 01:42:51 I wish you a nice afternoon.
1321 01:42:53 The same, Obergruppenf眉hrer.And a pleasant journey home.
1322 01:43:47 Six million Jews were killedduring the National Socialist regime.
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