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1 00:01:49 I'll give you a boost if you want.
2 00:01:50 I don't need your help.
3 00:01:52 Ooh. Hell, she got you, buddy.
4 00:01:54 - Toss them beers. - Here you go.
5 00:01:56 - You got it? - Okay, let's go!
6 00:01:59 All right. All right.
7 00:02:02 Hold up, hold up! The beer.
8 00:02:03 Take this. Take this. Come on.
9 00:02:06 These damn shoes!
10 00:02:24 - Whoo! Come on in, it's warm! - Come on, buddy!
11 00:02:29 Look, you can even wash your hair!
12 00:02:32 I washed mine last month.
13 00:02:43 Laura, Keith, come here! Look what I found.
14 00:02:46 - Holy shit. - What the hell's that?
15 00:02:47 - What is it? - The hell you doing?
16 00:02:50 Get out of here, now!
17 00:02:52 - Geez! - Come on!
18 00:02:58 Goddamn kids.
19 00:03:17 Turn off the beam, fool!
20 00:04:27 Steve from Dow, Ted from Union Carbide...
21 00:04:30 Jerry from Exxon and Andy from Allied.
22 00:04:34 Welcome to Taft Law, gentlemen.
23 00:04:37 Before we get started, a little housekeeping.
24 00:04:40 Um, all of you know this young man
25 00:04:42 as the dedicated Taft associate
26 00:04:44 who for the past eight years has
27 00:04:47 buried himself in the Superfund law.
28 00:04:49 I'm not paying for that cleanup
29 00:04:51 Still it is my pleasure to share with you
30 00:04:54 that just last week, Rob Bilott was welcomed as a partner
31 00:04:57 here at Taft, Stettinius & Hollister.
32 00:05:03 Good morning. Taft Law. One moment. I'll connect you.
33 00:05:09 Good morning. Taft Law.
34 00:05:11 One moment, please.
35 00:05:16 It's the Governor's office calling for uh,
36 00:05:19 calling for Mr. Burke.
37 00:05:24 May I help you?
38 00:05:25 Wilbur Tennant calling on Robbie Bilott.
39 00:05:28 EPA has saddled them with the whole bill
40 00:05:30 and given your client's history at that site,
41 00:05:32 that's a real possibility.
42 00:05:34 - I'll take it back to them. - Good. Tab 12, Middletown...
43 00:05:38 I know. I'm sorry.
44 00:05:40 - But they won't leave. - Who's they?
45 00:05:43 I don't know. They say they know you.
46 00:05:50 - Um... - Robert Bilott?
47 00:05:53 Um, yes.
48 00:05:57 They call it a landfill. A dump's what it is.
49 00:06:01 They told my brother and me no chemicals, just trash.
50 00:06:03 But we ain't stupid.
51 00:06:05 I made them videotapes myself. All the proof you need.
52 00:06:08 They're poisonin' the creek, killing my animals.
53 00:06:10 - I'm in the middle of a meeting. - So, I want a lawyer.
54 00:06:12 Every damn one in Parkersburg's too yella to take my case.
55 00:06:14 Rob. He wants you back in there.
56 00:06:16 They all scared shitless at DuPont.
57 00:06:18 Well, I ain't scared of nobody.
58 00:06:19 Okay. Kathleen is my paralegal.
59 00:06:21 She's gonna give you a directory of lawyers.
60 00:06:23 That's why I called your grandma.
61 00:06:27 - What? - My neighbor who tells me,
62 00:06:29 call Alma White.
63 00:06:31 Her grandson's some fancy environment lawyer down in Cincinnati.
64 00:06:39 Sir, I am a corporate defense attorney.
65 00:06:43 - So? - I defend chemical companies.
66 00:06:46 - Well, now you can defend me. - Rob!
67 00:06:50 Uh, 30 seconds, Tom.
68 00:06:53 - Uh, I'm sorry, Mr... - Tennant.
69 00:06:55 I can offer you a referral.
70 00:06:57 But I just don't see how I can be of any help to you.
71 00:07:00 You can start by watching them tapes for one thing.
72 00:07:02 Oh, let's go, Earl.
73 00:07:04 I'm sorry. I... I wish you all the luck.
74 00:07:06 I don't need your damn luck, boy!
75 00:07:08 - I need your help! - Rob!
76 00:07:13 Come on.
77 00:07:21 I'm not arguing with the overall analysis.
78 00:07:23 My only point is that whatever we decide upon...
79 00:07:32 Thank you, gentlemen.
80 00:07:35 Do you know where we're going?
81 00:07:37 There's a place right around the corner.
82 00:07:39 - Yeah? - What the hell was that all about?
83 00:07:42 - He knows my grandmother. - Really?
84 00:07:45 Well, my mom's from West Virginia.
85 00:07:47 Uh, from a town, Parkersburg.
86 00:07:50 Not us. My... my father was Air Force.
87 00:07:52 We... We moved around a lot,
88 00:07:54 but we spent the summers there.
89 00:07:55 - Come on, Terp. You're buying. - Of course I am.
90 00:07:59 You can be from West Virginia, Rob.
91 00:08:02 I won't tell anyone.
92 00:08:09 All right, gentlemen. Morton's it is.
93 00:08:13 Still deigned to eat with us lowly associates?
94 00:08:18 You can't drive an American car.
95 00:08:21 Taft-Hartley, union busting?
96 00:08:24 We practically invented it.
97 00:08:25 "We?"
98 00:08:27 Besides, I know a highly esteemed partner
99 00:08:29 who still drives American.
100 00:08:30 - Some real clunkers too. - Okay,
101 00:08:31 yeah, but he collects them.
102 00:08:33 That's different. Like his
103 00:08:35 no-name college and law school.
104 00:08:36 - No offense. - Are you listening to this?
105 00:08:38 Hey, you guys go ahead, all right?
106 00:08:39 - Look, I didn't mean anything by it. - No. I gotta make a call.
107 00:08:42 It's all right. I'll see you there.
108 00:08:43 Okay, we'll save you a fish log.
109 00:08:47 - You can be such an asshole. - Karla, it was a joke.
110 00:08:50 - Yeah. - We always joke.
111 00:08:51 Oh, yeah. You guys are a couple of jokesters.
112 00:09:03 You've reached the residence of Alma White.
113 00:09:06 I can't come to the phone right now...
114 00:09:09 He's good. He's home early tonight actually.
115 00:09:13 Tell him I said, howdy, partner.
116 00:09:15 She says, "Howdy, partner."
117 00:09:17 Are we ever gonna see him again on Sundays?
118 00:09:18 Yes, he can still come to Sunday dinners, Mom.
119 00:09:20 He's a partner, not the President of the United States.
120 00:09:23 I wanna make... Do you have my Bundt pan?
121 00:09:25 Returned it.
122 00:09:26 Where? I looked under the counter.
123 00:09:27 It's the right hand cupboard, in the plastic. Yeah.
124 00:09:30 Okay, well, we just sat down.
125 00:09:32 All right, dear.
126 00:09:33 So, I gotta go.
127 00:09:34 Love to Rob and Teddy.
128 00:09:35 All right, see you Sunday. Love to Dad.
129 00:09:37 Talk to you later.
130 00:09:38 Can you pretend to be surprised about the cake?
131 00:09:39 She wants it to be very special.
132 00:09:42 Oh, and the granite samples came in.
133 00:09:44 Can you pick them up on your way home tomorrow?
134 00:09:45 - Mmm. - Rob?
135 00:09:47 Hmm? Uh, sure.
136 00:09:55 You okay?
137 00:09:57 Yes.
138 00:09:58 Bless us, our Lord and thy gifts
139 00:10:00 which we are about to receive from thy bounty
140 00:10:02 through Christ our Lord. Amen.
141 00:10:03 Thank you, God. Thank you for our family.
142 00:11:04 Thank you.
143 00:11:45 - Hi, Grammers. - What on earth!
144 00:11:52 I tried to call, but you weren't picking up.
145 00:11:54 Oh, well, you know me. My two fake knees.
146 00:11:57 What are you doing here?
147 00:12:02 A farmer came to see me.
148 00:12:08 Wilbur Tennant?
149 00:12:09 You do know him.
150 00:12:11 I don't socialize with him, if that's what you mean.
151 00:12:16 Inez Graham owned the farm next to his.
152 00:12:19 I used to take you and Beth over there when you were little.
153 00:12:23 That's the place?
154 00:12:38 Hmm.
155 00:12:41 - You rode that pony
156 00:12:44 I loved that place.
157 00:12:47 Saw a cow for the first time.
158 00:12:49 Learned to milk it.
159 00:12:51 I remember you sittin' there for hours
160 00:12:53 making sure you got every last drop.
161 00:12:56 Just like you.
162 00:12:59 There.
163 00:13:01 Hmm.
164 00:13:03 So you gonna help him?
165 00:13:05 Huh?
166 00:13:55 You come up the holler, dump's up the hill.
167 00:14:01 Since I started complaining about my creek,
168 00:14:04 fence goes up. All blocked off.
169 00:14:12 Hi, I'm Rob.
170 00:14:14 Sandra.
171 00:14:17 The State, any veterinarian I've called in Parkersburg,
172 00:14:22 they will not return my phone calls.
173 00:14:24 Like I bite the hand that feeds.
174 00:14:26 - No, it's all right. I've already... - This here's a gall.
175 00:14:28 Look at the size of it. Ain't never seen
176 00:14:30 no gall that big. Bigger than the heart.
177 00:14:33 That your cows'?
178 00:14:34 Look at them teeth.
179 00:14:38 Black as night. Here.
180 00:14:44 Hoof, all turned in on itself.
181 00:14:46 Half my calves born with hooves like that.
182 00:14:52 Tumor, I done cut off the back a heifer.
183 00:14:54 How'd ya like that on your table?
184 00:15:00 What am I looking for?
185 00:15:03 You blind, boy?
186 00:15:05 Stones as white as the hairs on my head.
187 00:15:09 Bleached! That's chemicals, I'm telling ya.
188 00:15:13 My animals drink this water. Cool off in 'er.
189 00:15:16 Get them bloody welts, them dead eyes.
190 00:15:19 Charge at me, crazy-like.
191 00:15:21 Animals that used to eat out of my own hand.
192 00:15:29 Where are the rest of them?
193 00:15:32 Come on.
194 00:15:46 Beginnin', I'd bury 'em. Each one. They're family.
195 00:15:51 It got to be so many, pile 'em up, set fire to...
196 00:15:57 How many did you lose?
197 00:16:00 190
198 00:16:04 190 cows?
199 00:16:06 You tell me nothing's wrong here.
200 00:16:16 And this landfill wasn't always here?
201 00:16:20 No. My brother Jim used to dig ditches over at the DuPont plant.
202 00:16:25 Got sick, couldn't do it no more.
203 00:16:27 One day they come to him, offering to buy his land right up that holler.
204 00:16:32 They promised no chemicals.
205 00:16:34 And I assume you reached out to DuPont?
206 00:16:37 DuPont, the State, the Feds.
207 00:16:39 I called everybody there is dozens of times.
208 00:16:42 - EPA finally comes out here. - Oh, they did.
209 00:16:44 - All for some report. - What did it say?
210 00:16:47 You think they're gonna show me?
211 00:17:15 Okay.
212 00:17:20 He's been like this all day. Okay. Go on.
213 00:17:29 Of course, you're a perfect angel for Daddy.
214 00:17:34 - Did you get the tile? - Um, I'm sorry. No.
215 00:17:39 Rob.
216 00:17:42 I didn't drive into town today. I'm sorry.
217 00:17:45 What do you mean you didn't drive into town?
218 00:17:48 I had to go to Parkersburg.
219 00:17:50 Parkersburg? Why'd you have to go to Parkersburg?
220 00:17:54 I may have a client there.
221 00:17:57 In West Virginia? What kind of a case would you have?
222 00:18:01 He's a farmer. He knows my Grammer. Not well, but...
223 00:18:05 So, you saw her? Was your mother there?
224 00:18:09 Oh, come on, Sarah. I didn't sneak off to see my mother.
225 00:18:13 - So, why did you sneak off? - I didn't.
226 00:18:18 Our speaker tonight's no Stranger to the Taft family.
227 00:18:22 Phillip Donnelly, Phil to us,
228 00:18:26 serves as in-house Corporate Counsel at DuPont.
229 00:18:29 Not only one of America's most revered chemical companies,
230 00:18:34 but one of the few giants of the industry
231 00:18:37 - that Taft doesn't represent. - Not yet anyway!
232 00:18:40 That's the spirit, James.
233 00:18:44 We asked Phil here tonight, not just to show him what he's missing,
234 00:18:48 but to hear how a renowned leader of our industry
235 00:18:51 stays that way. Please welcome Phil Donnelly.
236 00:18:59 - Wish me luck. - Go get 'em, Phil!
237 00:19:01 Thank you.
238 00:19:02 At DuPont, we're not producing chemicals for chemical's sake.
239 00:19:06 We're producing them for people's sake.
240 00:19:08 To make folks' lives easier.
241 00:19:10 Happier, longer.
242 00:19:14 That's why better living through chemistry
243 00:19:19 is not just a slogan at DuPont.
244 00:19:23 It's our DNA.
245 00:19:29 - Hey, Rob. - Hello, Phil.
246 00:19:31 - Is it true what Tom tells me? - Yeah, it's true.
247 00:19:34 - Well, good on them. They're lucky to have you. - Thanks, Phil.
248 00:19:36 Like I always tell my younger associates,
249 00:19:38 just keep your head down and do the work.
250 00:19:40 Thanks. Uh, Phil, can I ask you sort of an odd question?
251 00:19:45 Shoot.
252 00:19:46 Does the name Wilbur Tennant ring a bell?
253 00:19:50 - Tennet, did you say? - Tennant.
254 00:19:52 No. Not that I recall.
255 00:19:54 Mr. Tennant's a farmer from West Virginia.
256 00:19:56 His property abuts one of your landfills, Dry Run.
257 00:20:00 And his cows have been getting sick.
258 00:20:01 He thinks possibly because of the runoff from the landfill into his creek.
259 00:20:06 You're kidding me. How did this come to you?
260 00:20:07 - Hey, Phil! - He's a farmer. He's...
261 00:20:12 My grandmother's from Parkersburg.
262 00:20:14 Really? Washington Works. Great plant.
263 00:20:16 - Right. She knows the Tennants. - So Grandma's on your back?
264 00:20:18 Something like that. Anyway, uh...
265 00:20:21 The farmer said the EPA came out, took a look around. I wondered...
266 00:20:25 - The name of the landfill again? - Dry Run.
267 00:20:28 Dry Run. Dry...
268 00:20:30 You know, that does ring a bell, now that you mention it.
269 00:20:32 We may have even sent some folks out there.
270 00:20:34 If I remember correctly, help EPA check it out.
271 00:20:36 That's gotta be it. So, I'd love to share whatever came of that
272 00:20:39 with Mr. Tennant. Help settle his nerves.
273 00:20:41 Absolutely. Soon as I'm back in Wilmington, I'll take a look.
274 00:20:44 - Thanks, Phil. I really appreciate it. - Happy to do it.
275 00:20:47 Now, let's get a drink and toast you, my friend. You.
276 00:20:51 Okay.
277 00:21:01 Mr. Tennant!
278 00:21:10 Mr. Tennant, I have the report.
279 00:21:15 Sons of bitches! Who the hell they think they are?
280 00:21:19 - Who gives them the right? - It's an evaluation.
281 00:21:21 Evalu, Hatchet job's what it is.
282 00:21:25 I been farming my entire life. Entire life!
283 00:21:28 You read that. You tell me you recognize my farm.
284 00:21:31 - Mr. Tennant... - Read it!
285 00:21:36 "The herd health investigation revealed
286 00:21:39 "deficiency in herd management.
287 00:21:42 "Including poor nutrition,
288 00:21:45 "inadequate veterinary care and lack of fly control."
289 00:21:50 You see any flies here?
290 00:21:52 It's snowing.
291 00:21:54 Can't stop making excuses for 'em, can you?
292 00:21:58 It could be pests. They consulted a vet.
293 00:22:01 Whose vet? DuPont?
294 00:22:06 Look at yourself. Swallowin' whole, whatever they been feeding ya.
295 00:22:09 Can't tell truth from lie.
296 00:22:13 You even watch them tapes I gave you?
297 00:22:15 - Sir, I am trying to help! - Quiet.
298 00:22:19 - Trying to help. - Stop movin'.
299 00:22:29 Easy, now. Easy.
300 00:22:35 Get in. Slow.
301 00:23:03 Forgive me, girl.
302 00:23:29 Jesus.
303 00:24:25 Need something to warm you up right about now?
304 00:24:28 Well, how about this?
305 00:24:34 Almost heaven, West Virginia
306 00:24:40 Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River
307 00:24:47 Life is old there, older than the trees
308 00:24:52 Younger than the mountains Blowing like the breeze
309 00:24:57 Country roads, take me home
310 00:25:03 To the place...
311 00:25:06 I belong
312 00:25:09 West Virginia...
313 00:25:12 mountain mama
314 00:25:15 Take me home...
315 00:25:17 ...this cow's eyes are cloudy with pink eyes is what they'll call it.
316 00:25:22 Anyway, her eyes are sunk way back in her head.
317 00:25:25 She's poor as a whippoorwill.
318 00:25:30 And I'm gonna cut her open and find out what caused her to die.
319 00:25:36 Because I was feeding her enough feed...
320 00:25:38 that she should've gained weight instead of losin' weight.
321 00:25:41 This is what her teeth looks like.
322 00:25:45 That's the upper one.
323 00:25:47 But this one here, I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime.
324 00:25:53 Even the veterinarian, he admitted...
325 00:25:55 he never saw anything like this before in his life either.
326 00:26:08 So, what are you proposing we do?
327 00:26:13 File a claim, trigger discovery and find out what's in that landfill.
328 00:26:18 - You wanna sue DuPont? - Targeted.
329 00:26:22 - Property dispute. Routine stuff. - Not routine. Not around here.
330 00:26:25 I know, but, Tom, if you'd actually seen it.
331 00:26:28 His farm is like a graveyard. There's something very wrong.
332 00:26:32 So, he should hire a local lawyer.
333 00:26:35 None of them will do it. They're all terrified of DuPont.
334 00:26:38 - Well, what does that tell you? - We know DuPont.
335 00:26:41 They're gonna wanna hear
336 00:26:42 if some of their local guys are screwing something up.
337 00:26:45 Oh, so they're gonna thank us for suing.
338 00:26:48 Better us than the EPA.
339 00:26:50 I mean, new partners are supposed to bring in business, right?
340 00:26:53 So, your farmer can swing 275 an hour?
341 00:26:55 It'd be on contingency.
342 00:26:58 Jesus. What are we, coupon chasers now?
343 00:27:01 It's a small matter for a family friend. I'll get in and I'll get out.
344 00:27:06 - Help a guy that needs it. - Who? The farmer or you?
345 00:27:30 Surgical. You hear me?
346 00:27:32 Absolutely. Thank you.
347 00:27:35 Come on, Rob. Of course, I'm gonna take your call.
348 00:27:39 Even though, I was, I admit, a little surprised.
349 00:27:42 I mean, getting sued by Taft Law.
350 00:27:45 It's not every day. Or any day, frankly.
351 00:27:47 I know. I'm sorry.
352 00:27:49 Look, you and I are friends. This is a minor issue.
353 00:27:52 No reason it should get messy.
354 00:27:55 Thank you. I totally agree. Yeah, I'm putting you on speaker phone.
355 00:28:01 So, you wanna know if we violated our permits.
356 00:28:04 Pretty much, yeah.
357 00:28:06 Okay, then. I'll have our guys send over anything...
358 00:28:09 related to hazardous wastes at Dry Run.
359 00:28:11 And I'll tell them to hurry it up this time. How's that?
360 00:28:14 - Thank you. That sounds great. - And don't stress. I forgive you.
361 00:28:18 Thanks, Phil.
362 00:28:41 You took your baby into the office?
363 00:28:43 - I needed a bigger trunk. - Why?
364 00:28:47 Discovery for the Tennant case came in today.
365 00:28:49 Oh. Oh, you started before me. You're so fast! Whoa.
366 00:28:54 Good boy.
367 00:28:56 Rob's missing such a lovely day.
368 00:28:59 Law's a jealous mistress, Mom. Means it comes with the territory.
369 00:29:02 Let's go over here!
370 00:29:04 Nice! Thank you! That's what I'm talking about right there.
371 00:29:11 All right. Let's go. One more. One more. All right.
372 00:29:32 Poly...
373 00:29:33 Is that...
374 00:29:51 No.
375 00:30:00 - How's my favorite plaintiff's attorney? - Hey, help me out, will ya?
376 00:30:03 You're a run of a mill dump, nothing but trash.
377 00:30:05 You sound like my first girlfriend.
378 00:30:08 Why a requisition order for 55-gallon containers?
379 00:30:13 Conspiracy. Standard size drums.
380 00:30:15 Ash, ash-byproduct, glass tubing, plastic, paper waste. It's just trash.
381 00:30:20 You pile it onto a truck, drive it away. You don't pack it into drums.
382 00:30:23 - So, they've got liquid waste. - Not hazardous.
383 00:30:26 Or they'd have to disclose it. So, what is killing these cows?
384 00:30:30 - It's not paper and ash. - Well, maybe it's human error.
385 00:30:32 They're dumping something in there they don't know is toxic.
386 00:30:35 Kim, it's DuPont. They know more than the EPA does.
387 00:30:39 Everyone knows more than the EPA does.
388 00:30:41 Why else would they let us regulate ourselves?
389 00:30:46 - What? - Do we?
390 00:30:49 Do we what?
391 00:30:51 The EPA only started regulating chemicals in '76.
392 00:30:54 Yeah?
393 00:30:56 They grandfather in every existing chemical, non-hazardous,
394 00:30:59 unless they knew it was hazardous or a company told them it was.
395 00:31:03 - We're saying the same thing. - No, we're not. I'm saying
396 00:31:06 what if a company didn't tell?
397 00:31:11 What if
398 00:31:13 the reason Phil Donnelly agreed to discovery on hazardous
399 00:31:17 is because he knows
400 00:31:19 whatever's in that landfill isn't even regulated?
401 00:31:23 Okay, now you are sounding like a plaintiff's attorney.
402 00:31:26 - I've got a meeting. - Hey, oh, wait, one second.
403 00:31:29 Have you heard of this, um, PFOA?
404 00:31:34 No.
405 00:31:35 You know, it's mentioned here, but I can't find anything about it
406 00:31:38 in any of the literature. I don't even know if it's a chemical.
407 00:31:41 - Ask Phil. - Well, thank you.
408 00:31:45 As I said, Mr. Donnelly is still out of town.
409 00:31:48 I called last week and left two messages and haven't heard back from him.
410 00:31:51 I'll be sure to tell him that you called again.
411 00:31:53 Okay. Damn it.
412 00:31:56 - Your tickets to the Chemical Alliance dinner. - Argh...
413 00:31:59 And, no, dark suit is not the same as black tie.
414 00:32:04 Wouldn't he be going?
415 00:32:35 I don't know if Rob told you, but I was a receptionist at Taft
416 00:32:39 - before law school. - Is that right?
417 00:32:40 But well, I think the right Bilott ended up there.
418 00:32:42 Harold, you're not getting away from me.
419 00:32:44 - Would you excuse me? - Sure, it was...
420 00:32:46 - It's great to see you. - When is the...
421 00:32:48 That's funny.
422 00:32:51 Right away, I saw a little of myself in Rob.
423 00:32:54 - Oh! - One black sheep to another.
424 00:32:56 - My dad was a steel worker, you know. - Was he?
425 00:32:59 Have you seen Phil?
426 00:33:01 No.
427 00:33:03 - So, you're an attorney? - Oh, recovering.
428 00:33:07 I represented employers in workmen's comp disputes.
429 00:33:09 But now, I stay at home with our baby.
430 00:33:12 Well, that's the thing with lady lawyers.
431 00:33:15 I wanna say hi to the Dow folks. Have you seen them?
432 00:33:17 No, I've been looking for Phil.
433 00:33:18 Did I tell you they sent me some work?
434 00:33:20 - Dow? That's great! - Just a small project. Like a try-out.
435 00:33:23 But if I impress them, can you imagine if I brought on Dow?
436 00:33:27 None for me, thank you.
437 00:33:30 You're not...
438 00:33:34 I'm, uh...
439 00:33:36 You're... She's...
440 00:33:38 I'm...
441 00:33:40 I'm gonna wait as long as I can to tell the firm. Obviously.
442 00:33:43 Would you excuse us for a moment?
443 00:33:44 These lady lawyers need a quick sidebar.
444 00:33:46 - Of course. - No. No.
445 00:33:48 - He signs your paycheck. Be nice to him. - Don't leave me.
446 00:33:52 - Congratulations. - I know. I can't believe it.
447 00:34:01 Excuse me.
448 00:34:12 Rob, how are you?
449 00:34:13 Phil, I've been trying to reach you.
450 00:34:14 So sorry, all this traveling. How about I give you a shout tomorrow?
451 00:34:16 We're gonna need to broaden discovery to everything
452 00:34:18 in that landfill, hazardous or not.
453 00:34:24 Excuse me.
454 00:34:26 You kidding me?
455 00:34:28 No.
456 00:34:31 I think whatever's causing the problems in there
457 00:34:33 isn't something the EPA regulates or knows to regulate.
458 00:34:37 Sorry?
459 00:34:38 I'm seeing things in your documents I don't understand.
460 00:34:42 You're seeing ghosts, is what you're seeing, and frankly,
461 00:34:44 you're making an ass of yourself.
462 00:34:45 Okay, then, help me out.
463 00:34:47 I mean, like this.
464 00:34:48 I mean, what is this PFOA?
465 00:34:52 What's that stand for?
466 00:34:56 Jesus.
467 00:34:57 You're on a goddamn fishing expedition.
468 00:35:00 You wanna flush your career down the toilet
469 00:35:03 for some cowhand?
470 00:35:04 Be my guest. I'm done helping you.
471 00:35:05 Phil, I need to insist on broadening discovery.
472 00:35:08 - Sue me! - Uh...
473 00:35:10 I'm already suing you.
474 00:35:12 Welcome, everyone,
475 00:35:13 to the 14th Annual Ohio Chemical Alliance...
476 00:35:16 - Fuck you! - ...awards dinner.
477 00:35:21 Hick!
478 00:35:25 So, let's get the fun started!
479 00:35:49 I'm sorry.
480 00:35:51 You're not the only one who's sacrificed.
481 00:35:59 I just hope you know what you're doing.
482 00:36:08 You know the difference between business and pleasure, right?
483 00:36:10 So, why on earth would you engage in business conversations at a public function? -
484 00:36:16 Tom!
485 00:36:17 He's hiding something. You saw his reaction.
486 00:36:20 Yeah, me and everyone in that room.
487 00:36:21 Taft in a pissing match with DuPont.
488 00:36:23 I am gonna get a court order and force them
489 00:36:25 to tell me everything that's in that landfill.
490 00:36:27 Jesus Christ! Now you wanna actually take them to court.
491 00:36:29 And I'm gonna need local counsel in West Virginia.
492 00:36:31 What happened to routine stuff?
493 00:36:33 - Ask Phil Donnelly. - God!
494 00:36:36 Of course, I remember you.
495 00:36:38 Yeah, last time I saw you, I think Phil Donnelly was
496 00:36:41 trying to get you to go out on the links with us.
497 00:36:43 Yeah.
498 00:36:47 You what?
499 00:37:02 Thank you.
500 00:37:09 Good morning.
501 00:37:14 - Good morning, Larry. - Morning.
502 00:37:22 Morning, Miss Claire.
503 00:37:25 Don't you look nice.
504 00:37:26 Save it for the judge, Mr. Winter.
505 00:37:32 You're suing DuPont.
506 00:37:37 Yes, ma'am.
507 00:37:38 You represent DuPont.
508 00:37:40 My old firm did.
509 00:37:42 I've been out on my own for a while.
510 00:37:45 Good luck with that.
511 00:37:51 Just wanted to let you know personally
512 00:37:53 that your court-ordered discovery is on the way.
513 00:37:57 Thanks, Phil.
514 00:37:59 No, it's my pleasure.
515 00:38:03 Discovery.
516 00:38:20 Son of a bitch.
517 00:38:22 No admission of liability.
518 00:38:25 And non...
519 00:38:29 Non-disclosure of any and all terms.
520 00:38:33 Pardon me a moment.
521 00:38:50 Thanks.
522 00:38:52 Holy Jesus!
523 00:38:54 - What in the... - Thanks.
524 00:38:58 ...world?
525 00:38:59 I guess the joke's on me.
526 00:39:01 Yeah.
527 00:39:04 No one can go through all this crap. Not in a million years.
528 00:39:05 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what they're banking on.
529 00:39:10 - Oh, God! Damn it! - Oh, God, Rob!
530 00:39:18 - Here, let me... - No, no, no, you shouldn't be around this stuff.
531 00:39:22 - You sure? - I'm positive. Thank you, though.
532 00:39:26 Yeah.
533 00:39:28 Good luck.
534 00:39:51 1957
535 00:40:57 Hey, Sally, what is the hold up back here?
536 00:41:02 - Hey, Bobby. How you... - What're you having?
537 00:41:06 Usual.
538 00:41:08 Eggs over bacon and grits.
539 00:41:12 Same.
540 00:41:18 I need two over, grits, fried.
541 00:41:29 Wilbur Tennant.
542 00:41:31 He's not in his office. Can I take a message?
543 00:41:33 - I been leaving messages. - I know, Mr. Tennant,
544 00:41:36 but he really can't get to the phone right now.
545 00:41:38 I want service!
546 00:41:40 -I'll let him know that you called again. -For Christ's sakes.
547 00:41:44 Is she getting accustomed to being at Mom and Dad's?
548 00:41:47 You know Grammer. She misses her own house.
549 00:41:49 - What? - She misses her own house.
550 00:41:52 I have a bad cell.
551 00:41:54 I said Grammer misses her own house.
552 00:41:56 Okay, can you...
553 00:41:58 Can I talk to her?
554 00:41:59 She and Mom are at the doctor's.
555 00:42:01 - Will you tell Grammers I called? - Rob, you're breaking up.
556 00:42:04 And Mom too?
557 00:42:05 - Let's try again on Sunday. - All right.
558 00:42:15 "C-8."
559 00:42:23 You know you look like a crazy person, right?
560 00:42:25 What was the name of that guy that you brought by the...
561 00:42:28 - What guy? - The chemistry expert.
562 00:42:32 - The guy who does the models. - Gillespie.
563 00:42:37 Here you go.
564 00:42:39 Thank you.
565 00:42:40 Kim Burke had an expense account.
566 00:42:42 Oh, sorry. It's not that kind of case.
567 00:42:45 Are you familiar with something called PFOA?
568 00:42:51 No.
569 00:42:55 - No. - No.
570 00:42:57 I did read something recently about a PFOS, I think it was.
571 00:43:02 - That sounds related. - And what was that?
572 00:43:05 Long-chain fluorocarbon, synthetic.
573 00:43:09 I'm sorry. Chemistry was my worst class in high school.
574 00:43:13 Boy, you in the wrong line of work.
575 00:43:15 Tell me about it. So?
576 00:43:18 So, synthetic. All right? Man-made.
577 00:43:21 Frankenstein.
578 00:43:23 And?
579 00:43:25 Long-chain fluorocarbon is a sequence of carbon atoms, add a fluoride.
580 00:43:30 - All right. In the lab you take a carbon atom... - Mmm-hmm.
581 00:43:34 ...and then you add another carbon atom.
582 00:43:38 And then another
583 00:43:40 and another... Look.
584 00:43:43 You're making a chain. Right?
585 00:43:49 - Right? - Could it be...
586 00:43:52 Eight? Eight carbons?
587 00:43:54 Well, sure. Yeah, In the lab you can do almost anything.
588 00:43:57 And why would you want to? Make this, I mean.
589 00:44:02 Well, a chain like that's pretty much unbreakable, biochemically speaking.
590 00:44:06 So, uh, industrial uses, I imagine.
591 00:44:10 3M made it.
592 00:44:12 They don't anymore. That's what I read.
593 00:44:14 - Why did they stop? - Didn't say.
594 00:44:19 What if...
595 00:44:22 What if you drank it?
596 00:44:26 Drank it?
597 00:44:28 - You don't. - Well, what if you did?
598 00:44:30 - Ready to order? - Yeah, I think I'd like a...
599 00:44:34 But what if you did?
600 00:44:36 That's like saying, "What if I swallowed a tire?"
601 00:44:40 I don't know. You wanna be the guy that finds out?
602 00:44:44 Tuna melt.
603 00:45:05 Let us all begin with hymn number 452 in our hymnal books.
604 00:45:10 "Here I Am, Lord." Please rise.
605 00:45:16 I, the Lord of sea and sky
606 00:45:21 I have heard my people cry
607 00:45:26 All who dwell in deepest sin
608 00:45:30 My hand will save
609 00:45:36 Does it makes sounds?
610 00:45:38 Asteroid ahead.
611 00:45:40 You hold like that.
612 00:45:43 Are you ready to blast off?
613 00:45:58 I'm taking off that.
614 00:46:31 You said it had fluoride?
615 00:46:33 What? Mr. Bilott, it's Sunday.
616 00:46:35 That chemical, you said it had a fluoride atom.
617 00:46:39 It's a fluorocarbon, so, yes. Somewhere along the chain...
618 00:46:42 What would it do to your teeth if you drank it?
619 00:46:45 Don't tell me if you shouldn't, if you did.
620 00:46:47 If you drank a lot of it, what would it do to your teeth?
621 00:46:50 Well, in trace amounts fluoride hardens teeth.
622 00:46:52 But too much, it's gonna stain 'em. I mean, even turn 'em black.
623 00:46:58 So, can I get back to my family now?
624 00:47:05 What? Where are you going?
625 00:47:06 - It's in their water. - What? What is?
626 00:47:47 How long's the coughing been?
627 00:47:50 Couple... Couple of months.
628 00:47:53 A year.
629 00:47:54 - You a smoker? - No.
630 00:47:59 Roll up your sleeve. We're gonna take some blood.
631 00:48:15 - Thought you left him inside. - I did.
632 00:48:23 Oh, baby.
633 00:48:34 You move this?
634 00:48:36 What?
635 00:48:37 - Did you go through this? - No!
636 00:48:44 They been here.
637 00:48:47 They been here!
638 00:49:17 What happened?
639 00:49:20 Wash up.
640 00:49:30 Dad?
641 00:49:34 - What is it? - Quiet.
642 00:49:45 This is my land, damn you! You get out of here!
643 00:49:49 Go on!
644 00:49:52 Go on!
645 00:49:55 Sandra, girls, get on! Go on, get in! Get in!
646 00:50:01 I know youl!
647 00:52:14 Rob?
648 00:52:41 - Holy crap, Rob! - What?
649 00:52:45 I thought someone was breaking in, for God's sakes!
650 00:52:48 No, it's just me.
651 00:52:49 Rob, you need to tell me what in the hell's going on.
652 00:52:54 We're being poisoned.
653 00:52:58 - Rob. - What?
654 00:53:00 I mean it. DuPont is knowingly poisoning us.
655 00:53:04 You mean the farmer. His land.
656 00:53:07 All of us.
657 00:53:07 All of us.
658 00:53:10 Please don't look at me like that.
659 00:53:13 They're already poisoning the baby.
660 00:53:17 - No. I'm not listening to this. - Sarah.
661 00:53:20 Stop it! Just stop it, okay?
662 00:53:22 Do you hear yourself? You are acting like a crazy person.
663 00:53:25 Tearing up our floor. Scaring me half to death.
664 00:53:28 I know it's my job to support you, but that does not mean
665 00:53:31 you get to come into our home, to our family
666 00:53:33 and tell me that our unborn child is being poisoned. No!
667 00:53:36 I'm sorry. Can I please explain?
668 00:53:39 - Explain what? - All of it.
669 00:53:41 And if you still think I'm crazy, I'll drop it. I swear to God.
670 00:53:48 I swear to you.
671 00:54:06 There is a man-made chemical
672 00:54:10 that was invented during the Manhattan project.
673 00:54:13 It repelled the elements, especially water.
674 00:54:16 So they used it to make the first ever waterproof coating for tanks.
675 00:54:21 It was indestructible.
676 00:54:22 Then some companies thought, "Hey, why just the battlefield?
677 00:54:26 "Why not bring this chemical into American homes?"
678 00:54:30 - Rob's here. - All right. Good.
679 00:54:33 He'll see you now.
680 00:54:38 DuPont was one of those companies.
681 00:54:41 So they took this chemical, PFOA.
682 00:54:45 They renamed it C-8.
683 00:54:47 And they made their own impenetrable coating,
684 00:54:50 but not for tanks. For pans.
685 00:54:54 They called it Teflon.
686 00:54:57 A shining symbol of American ingenuity,
687 00:55:00 made right here in the USA,
688 00:55:02 in Parkersburg, West Virginia.
689 00:55:06 But right from the start, something wasn't right.
690 00:55:09 The men, and workers who made Teflon
691 00:55:13 were coming down with nausea, fevers.
692 00:55:15 DuPont wanted to know why.
693 00:55:17 So they laced cigarettes with Teflon.
694 00:55:20 They told a group of their workers, "Hey, smoke these."
695 00:55:23 DuPonters did as they were told.
696 00:55:27 Almost all of those men were hospitalized.
697 00:55:33 That's 1962.
698 00:55:35 One year after Teflon launched and already DuPont knew.
699 00:55:40 The dust, they just sent right up the smoke stacks, released into the air.
700 00:55:45 The sludge, tossed it into the Ohio.
701 00:55:47 Or, uh, packed into drums and chucked it into the Chesapeake.
702 00:55:52 But then their drums started washing up.
703 00:55:55 So, DuPont starts digging ditches
704 00:55:57 on the grounds of the Washington Works plant.
705 00:55:59 And in those pits, they dumped
706 00:56:02 thousands of tons of toxic C-8 sludge and dust.
707 00:56:06 One of the men that they hired to dig those ditches
708 00:56:09 was Wilbur Tennant's brother Jim.
709 00:56:12 But they weren't the only ones covering their tracks.
710 00:56:15 3M who pioneered these chemicals for Scotchgard,
711 00:56:19 they were testing them on monkeys.
712 00:56:21 Most of the monkeys died.
713 00:56:23 It wasn't like DuPont didn't know that because
714 00:56:25 they were doing their own tests on rats.
715 00:56:29 Watched their organs balloon.
716 00:56:31 Now the rats are getting cancers.
717 00:56:34 Tested them on pregnant rats and watched them give birth
718 00:56:38 to pups with deformed eyes.
719 00:56:41 So, they yanked all the young women off the Teflon line
720 00:56:44 and never told them why.
721 00:56:50 Sue Bailey's job was scrubbing these huge steel vats
722 00:56:55 where they held the liquid C-8. She was pregnant.
723 00:56:58 - I love you! - Would you stop?
724 00:57:02 She gave birth to a baby with one nostril and a deformed eye.
725 00:57:07 Remember how DuPont had seen those deformities in the rats?
726 00:57:14 Oh, God. What about his eyes?
727 00:57:16 Blue. Just like all newborns.
728 00:57:18 But they're normal, the lids, the pupils?
729 00:57:20 Mr. Bilott, relax. He's perfect.
730 00:57:25 Hey. Hi, Charlie.
731 00:57:27 So Sue goes to DuPont.
732 00:57:29 She says, "Why did you pull me off the Teflon line?
733 00:57:33 "Did C-8 make my baby this way?" "No," they tell her.
734 00:57:38 Then all of her records from her time at Teflon disappear.
735 00:57:42 One year later, they put all of the women back on Teflon
736 00:57:47 and never say a thing.
737 00:57:56 He's here.
738 00:58:02 DuPont knew everything.
739 00:58:04 They knew that the C-8 they put into the air
740 00:58:08 and buried into the ground for decades
741 00:58:10 was causing cancers.
742 00:58:12 They knew that their own workers were getting these cancers.
743 00:58:15 They knew that the consumers too were being exposed
744 00:58:19 and not just in Teflon. In paints,
745 00:58:22 in fabrics, in, uh, raincoats, boots.
746 00:58:28 To this day...
747 00:58:32 For 40 years you knew C-8 was poison.
748 00:58:36 You knew the "Happy Pan" was a ticking time bomb.
749 00:58:40 And you knew exactly why.
750 00:58:43 Because C-8, it stays in us forever.
751 00:58:45 Our bodies are incapable of breaking it down.
752 00:58:48 And knowing all of this, still you did nothing because
753 00:58:53 doing something,
754 00:58:56 "would essentially put the long-term viability
755 00:58:59 "of this product's segment on the line."
756 00:59:06 You were making too much money.
757 00:59:09 One billion dollars a year just in profits, just in Teflon.
758 00:59:14 And so you pumped millions more pounds
759 00:59:18 of toxic C-8 into the air, into the water
760 00:59:21 so much so you could actually see it foam.
761 00:59:25 C-8 was everywhere. There was nowhere left for you to contaminate.
762 00:59:34 And that's when they came to Jim.
763 00:59:37 They knew he was sick and needed the money and they needed his land.
764 00:59:42 And when they got it, they dug up all the C-8
765 00:59:45 from every single pit at Washington Works.
766 00:59:48 Fourteen million pounds of toxic C-8 sludge
767 00:59:51 and they dumped it, again. This time right up there.
768 00:59:55 Steps from your creek, from your house.
769 00:59:58 That's what your cows have been drinking, Earl.
770 01:00:06 Put 'em behind bars.
771 01:00:08 Whole damn lot of 'em, right in jail.
772 01:00:10 I understand, believe me.
773 01:00:12 But this is a civil case. The most we can hope for is damages.
774 01:00:15 Don't want no money! Whole damn world need...
775 01:00:25 - Needs to see what they done. - You're right. They should.
776 01:00:30 And it kills me that they won't.
777 01:00:33 But that would mean going to trial
778 01:00:36 and proving that C-8 killed your cows.
779 01:00:39 And every scientist who knows anything about any of this
780 01:00:41 already works for these chemical companies.
781 01:00:43 That's not an accident, Earl.
782 01:00:46 Earl, these companies, they have all the money all the time,
783 01:00:52 and they'll use it. Trust me.
784 01:00:53 I know. I was one of them.
785 01:00:57 You're still one of 'em.
786 01:01:02 You can't be serious. You know what I put on the line here?
787 01:01:06 You want a prize? Some medal 'cause for once in your life
788 01:01:10 you took the side of the little guy?
789 01:01:13 Sorry, no prize. All you get is your share of this blood money.
790 01:01:16 - And you sleep real good tonight. - Talk to your family.
791 01:01:19 It ain't just my cows was poisoned.
792 01:01:22 What do you think I fed my family on?
793 01:01:24 Wilbur, please.
794 01:01:29 Leave this place!
795 01:01:32 Start over. Give your family a fighting chance!
796 01:01:36 Too late for that.
797 01:01:41 We got it, Sandra and me. The cancer.
798 01:01:45 Surprise, surprise.
799 01:02:43 In here.
800 01:02:51 How'd it go?
801 01:02:55 What's wrong?
802 01:02:57 Rob?
803 01:02:59 Rob, what is it?
804 01:03:06 What happened? What happened?
805 01:03:09 Oh, honey, honey, honey.
806 01:03:12 You saw a man hurting and
807 01:03:17 you did the Christian thing. You helped him.
808 01:03:19 How? How? Either he dies penniless
809 01:03:24 or he lets DuPont just keep pillaging his community.
810 01:03:27 How is that helping?
811 01:03:33 Gotta get some sleep.
812 01:03:47 I can't believe a freaking case settlement could shut this up.
813 01:03:52 Have you read their confidentiality agreements?
814 01:03:56 You've uncovered a threat to the public.
815 01:03:59 This goes beyond lawyering.
816 01:04:01 That's... That's all I know is lawyering.
817 01:04:04 Fine. Then be the lawyer.
818 01:04:06 You know DuPont better than anyone.
819 01:04:08 What haven't they thought of?
820 01:05:09 God. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
821 01:05:12 What is that?
822 01:05:13 Uh, a memo and 136 exhibits.
823 01:05:49 Wil, Sandra, this is your copy.
824 01:06:11 The EPA announced a public hearing into this family of chemicals
825 01:06:15 - I've been looking into. - I heard about it from Tucker.
826 01:06:18 - Monsanto Tucker? - Union Carbide now.
827 01:06:20 He says to me, "Is it true
828 01:06:21 "that a Taft lawyer sent a phone book's
829 01:06:23 "worth of confidential DuPont documents
830 01:06:24 "to the entire Federal government?"
831 01:06:26 Internal documents, not confidential. Very different.
832 01:06:29 - So you're testifying. - I signed up to testify.
833 01:06:31 And the next thing I hear
834 01:06:32 is DuPont has petitioned a judge
835 01:06:34 to stop me from testifying, from flying to D.C,
836 01:06:37 from even picking up the phone
837 01:06:38 They filed for a gag order.
838 01:06:39 Yes! This is what we're up against.
839 01:06:41 - Jesus. - David.
840 01:06:42 Come on, Tom. What do you expect?
841 01:06:43 Where do we stand?
842 01:06:44 Well, the judge rejected the gag order,
843 01:06:46 so I fly out Monday.
844 01:06:48 Nice. I guess we'll just watch on C-SPAN.
845 01:06:54 You ever do anything like this again,
846 01:06:56 I will cut your balls off and serve them to DuPont myself.
847 01:07:00 Get out of here.
848 01:07:04 Good luck in Washington.
849 01:07:07 Thanks, Tom.
850 01:07:08 This material is a perfluoro...
851 01:07:12 or a PFOA.
852 01:07:14 It's also known as FC 143,
853 01:07:19 ammonium perfluorooctanoates.
854 01:07:22 It has been shown by DuPont's own science
855 01:07:28 that PFOA C-8
856 01:07:31 is possibly life threatening to human health.
857 01:07:36 We are asking this agency to do something.
858 01:08:02 ...the Presidential election in four decades.
859 01:08:04 Just look at these latest polls.
860 01:08:07 Did you forget to pay the water bill?
861 01:08:09 What?
862 01:08:10 You forget to pay the water bill?
863 01:08:14 No.
864 01:08:16 We got a notice.
865 01:08:18 What's it say?
866 01:08:21 "PFOA is a persistent chemical
867 01:08:24 "that is slow to be eliminated
868 01:08:26 "from the blood stream of people who have been exposed to it.
869 01:08:30 "The DuPont company has advised
870 01:08:32 "the Lubeck Water District that low concentrations
871 01:08:35 "have been found in the district's wells.
872 01:08:38 "DuPont has advised the district
873 01:08:39 "that it is confident these levels are safe."
874 01:08:44 What the hell does that mean?
875 01:08:47 A letter came last fall.
876 01:08:50 Made no sense to me, so I started making calls.
877 01:08:52 I told Joe don't kick that hornet's nest.
878 01:08:55 It's not like we didn't know what we'd signed up for.
879 01:08:59 What do you mean?
880 01:09:01 Oh, I was married before Joe
881 01:09:04 to a chemist at DuPont.
882 01:09:06 Dream job. Paid real well.
883 01:09:08 And the perks! Presents for no reason.
884 01:09:11 We'd get this catalogue. Just pick whatever you want.
885 01:09:16 And little stuff.
886 01:09:17 Like he'd bring home this soap,
887 01:09:18 this miracle powder.
888 01:09:20 You puttin the washing machine or the dishwasher,
889 01:09:22 just wipes stuff clean like you would not believe.
890 01:09:25 One day he comes home and says,
891 01:09:28 "Can't bring that stuff home no more."
892 01:09:30 "Why?" Won't tell me.
893 01:09:32 Then he'd get sick for weeks.
894 01:09:35 The Teflon flu, the guys would call it.
895 01:09:37 We knew something wasn't right.
896 01:09:40 But this house, we bought it just by
897 01:09:43 showing the bank my husband's DuPont ID.
898 01:09:46 Put both our kids through college. Engineers.
899 01:09:51 In this town, that doesn't come without a price.
900 01:09:54 My brother Kenny didn't know that price.
901 01:09:57 He joined DuPont at 19.
902 01:09:59 Died on the operating table two years later.
903 01:10:02 - Ulcerative colitis. - Just like Dan Schiller had.
904 01:10:05 Who's Dan?
905 01:10:07 A chemist at DuPont. Worked with my ex-husband.
906 01:10:10 And Roger, what's his name?
907 01:10:12 Wilkins, the foreman.
908 01:10:14 Steven Gellar. Randy Field.
909 01:10:16 Randy's was kidney cancer. He survived.
910 01:10:19 - His wife didn't. - No, June's was thyroid.
911 01:10:22 It was supposed to be treatable.
912 01:10:24 They didn't catch it in time.
913 01:10:25 But they caught it in their son.
914 01:10:29 Were your children born healthy?
915 01:10:32 - Yes. Yes, they were. - Good.
916 01:10:34 But we wanted a third and couldn't.
917 01:10:38 I went to my doctor.
918 01:10:39 He says, "You need a hysterectomy. You need it right away."
919 01:10:44 I'm so sorry.
920 01:10:45 Bad luck, I guess.
921 01:10:48 I was 36.
922 01:10:51 Mr. Kiger,
923 01:10:52 you think I could get a copy of that letter?
924 01:11:07 What's wrong with your hand?
925 01:11:09 Nothing. It's fine.
926 01:11:17 Whoa, Rob?
927 01:11:21 Rob, what are you doing?
928 01:11:24 I mean, it's not enough to poison these people?
929 01:11:27 They gotta swindle them too?
930 01:11:28 Okay, calm down. All right?
931 01:11:30 DuPont wrote that letter!
932 01:11:32 - Not the water authority. - How do you know that?
933 01:11:34 You think I don't know what a DuPont letter looks like by now?
934 01:11:36 Okay. Okay.
935 01:11:38 I mean, Jesus!
936 01:11:39 It's evil, Sarah.
937 01:11:41 It's fucking evil!
938 01:11:43 What's fack?
939 01:11:46 Perfect.
940 01:11:47 It's nothing, sweetie. It's nothing. Oh, boy.
941 01:11:49 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, honey.
942 01:11:51 Can you give Charlie the bottle, please?
943 01:11:52 - Where's his bottle? - It's in the bag.
944 01:11:55 - What is all this? - It's from Grammer's.
945 01:11:58 It was left in her mailbox.
946 01:12:00 - "Medical claims, now and forever"? - Here, bud.
947 01:12:02 - "Now and forever." - Is that that...
948 01:12:04 That...
949 01:12:06 Medical monitoring. Is that...
950 01:12:10 I thought you said that wasn't gonna pass?
951 01:12:14 - Morning. - Guys.
952 01:12:23 Our lead plaintiff is Mr. Joe Kiger.
953 01:12:26 Potential plaintiff, if the partnership approves.
954 01:12:30 Mr. Joe Kiger, a Phys Ed teacher
955 01:12:33 from Parkersburg, West Virginia.
956 01:12:35 On behalf of the 70,000 local residents,
957 01:12:39 whose water DuPont knowingly poisoned
958 01:12:42 for the last 40 years.
959 01:12:44 A class action?
960 01:12:45 Let him finish.
961 01:12:46 The Kigers were notified
962 01:12:48 by their local water company that DuPont had found
963 01:12:51 small concentrations of C-8 in their water supply,
964 01:12:55 but not to worry
965 01:12:57 because those concentrations were safe.
966 01:13:00 Why? Because DuPont said so.
967 01:13:07 This is what DuPont considers safe.
968 01:13:10 That's something like one drop of water
969 01:13:13 in an Olympic size swimming pool.
970 01:13:15 In other words, even a trace of C-8
971 01:13:17 renders water unsafe.
972 01:13:20 But DuPont told the local water authority,
973 01:13:22 "Don't worry.
974 01:13:23 "Your wells have got even less than that."
975 01:13:25 - Except that was a lie. - A lie?
976 01:13:27 Yes. DuPont has been secretly testing
977 01:13:30 these wells for decades.
978 01:13:31 They knew they had contaminated those wells
979 01:13:34 up to six times that level.
980 01:13:37 And thanks to the Tennant case, now we know too.
981 01:13:40 Hold on. This stuff is unregulated, right?
982 01:13:43 I mean, as far as EPA's concerned,
983 01:13:45 it might as well be rose petals.
984 01:13:47 The EPA hasn't set a standard, that's true,
985 01:13:49 but DuPont did.
986 01:13:51 And all the law requires to win a case like this,
987 01:13:54 is to show that DuPont exceeded
988 01:13:56 what DuPont itself considers safe.
989 01:13:59 Self-regulation.
990 01:14:00 - If what you're saying is right... - It is right.
991 01:14:02 ...then why would DuPont tell this water district anything at all?
992 01:14:06 Seems to me that they're being
993 01:14:07 a good corporate citizen here.
994 01:14:09 That's how long you have to file suit.
995 01:14:13 One year from the moment you realize your water's been contaminated.
996 01:14:17 This letter looks like it's telling people their water is safe.
997 01:14:21 In fact, it's notifying them that it isn't.
998 01:14:25 DuPont has started the clock.
999 01:14:27 Smart.
1000 01:14:28 We would've counseled that.
1001 01:14:30 It was sent 11 months ago.
1002 01:14:32 The moment they realized we knew.
1003 01:14:35 In 30 days, they're home free.
1004 01:14:37 So that's the proposed case in brief.
1005 01:14:40 But there's something else to consider.
1006 01:14:42 You think?
1007 01:14:43 Rob.
1008 01:14:44 C-8 bio-accumulates. It builds up inside of us.
1009 01:14:48 Some class members who aren't sick today
1010 01:14:51 will get sick tomorrow.
1011 01:14:53 We need a way to protect them into the future.
1012 01:14:56 Jesus, Tom! If you're even thinking about using medical monitoring...
1013 01:14:58 Hold on. Hold on.
1014 01:15:00 Medical monitoring is a claim now permitted
1015 01:15:04 in West Virginia courts.
1016 01:15:05 - Oh, come on. - Let's hear him out.
1017 01:15:07 It say if a company exposes a community
1018 01:15:10 to something that makes them sick,
1019 01:15:12 they must monitor the health of that community indefinitely.
1020 01:15:15 Everybody get that? You're creating liability from mere exposure.
1021 01:15:19 It's also unprecedented.
1022 01:15:21 Exactly! Which is why not six months ago,
1023 01:15:23 we fought tooth and nail against it.
1024 01:15:25 And you lost. Our clients have the right
1025 01:15:27 to avail themselves of the law.
1026 01:15:29 Potential clients.
1027 01:15:36 Okay.
1028 01:15:38 I know you, Rob. I know your passion.
1029 01:15:42 You got a great settlement for your farmer.
1030 01:15:44 You should be proud of that.
1031 01:15:46 And perhaps as the newest partner at this table,
1032 01:15:50 I should be more circumspect.
1033 01:15:52 But what he's proposing here is
1034 01:15:56 nothing less than a shakedown
1035 01:15:59 - of an iconic American company. - We do not represent DuPont.
1036 01:16:02 No, you don't represent anyone.
1037 01:16:05 Is this what we have become?
1038 01:16:07 Plaintiff's attorneys. Ambulance chasers.
1039 01:16:10 Why don't you just admit it? Rob, you wanna flip.
1040 01:16:12 You wanna take everything that you know
1041 01:16:14 about how chemical companies operate
1042 01:16:17 and turn it against DuPont. Like an informant.
1043 01:16:19 - That's enough. - Isn't that right?
1044 01:16:21 - Okay! - Isn't that right?
1045 01:16:22 - Isn't that right? - Yes.
1046 01:16:24 Okay, then, I... I say we take a vote
1047 01:16:28 and determine whether or not
1048 01:16:30 we continue in the tradition
1049 01:16:31 that has distinguished this firm from everyone else...
1050 01:16:34 Okay, I'm running this meeting. Okay?
1051 01:16:37 You got that?
1052 01:16:39 Has anyone even read the evidence this man has collected?
1053 01:16:43 The willful negligence, the corruption?
1054 01:16:47 Read it!
1055 01:16:48 And then tell me we should be sitting on our asses!
1056 01:16:51 That's the reason why Americans hate lawyers.
1057 01:16:56 This is the crap that fuels the Ralph Naders of the world.
1058 01:16:59 We should want to nail DuPont.
1059 01:17:03 All of us should!
1060 01:17:05 American business is better than this, gentlemen.
1061 01:17:07 And when it's not, we should hold them to it.
1062 01:17:10 That's how you build faith in the system.
1063 01:17:13 We're always arguing that companies are people.
1064 01:17:17 Well, these people have crossed the line!
1065 01:17:21 To hell with them!
1066 01:17:27 It may come as a surprise
1067 01:17:28 to corporate defense types like yourselves,
1068 01:17:31 but there's more to the law than just flooding
1069 01:17:33 the other side in papers.
1070 01:17:35 From where I sit, you have to touch people.
1071 01:17:39 These girls, they handle the calls
1072 01:17:41 from the class action members.
1073 01:17:43 And there's thousands of 'em on any given case.
1074 01:17:46 And it's here that we come to know their pain.
1075 01:17:49 Isn't that right, Hazel?
1076 01:17:51 Yes. We hear it every day
1077 01:17:54 and it's my job to make a jury feel that pain.
1078 01:17:58 Not out of pity, but out of fear.
1079 01:18:01 Whatever it is that happened to my client,
1080 01:18:03 that juror has to think,
1081 01:18:06 "That could happen to me."
1082 01:18:08 You just keep hammering it.
1083 01:18:09 One part per billion. One part per billion.
1084 01:18:12 It's their own documents. Their own scientists.
1085 01:18:14 Absolutely.
1086 01:18:15 They set that standard, they have to live with it.
1087 01:18:18 Yeah, I think we can relax, Rob,
1088 01:18:20 though, there's no way they're gonna prevail with a motion to dismiss.
1089 01:18:23 This is procedural.
1090 01:18:25 It's nonsense. We'll get a trial today.
1091 01:18:30 Okay, I'll catch you guys in there.
1092 01:18:35 I wouldn't drink that.
1093 01:18:40 Earl.
1094 01:18:43 How ya doing?
1095 01:18:46 Still here.
1096 01:18:49 That's somethin', right?
1097 01:18:51 Yes, that's something.
1098 01:18:54 Good to see ya, Robbie.
1099 01:18:59 Can't let 'em
1100 01:19:02 shut you down.
1101 01:19:05 I won't. I promise.
1102 01:19:08 Whole world
1103 01:19:11 needs to know.
1104 01:19:15 They will, Earl. They will.
1105 01:19:20 Hey, Rob? It's time.
1106 01:19:25 I have to go.
1107 01:19:43 We are here on defendant's motion
1108 01:19:45 to dismiss the case brought by Mr. Kiger, et al.
1109 01:19:50 Now, which one of you is Mr. Wallace?
1110 01:19:54 Edward Wallace, Your Honor,
1111 01:19:56 on behalf of the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company,
1112 01:19:59 better known as DuPont.
1113 01:20:00 Yes, I've heard of it.
1114 01:20:02 - Your motion. - Thank you.
1115 01:20:04 Your Honor, we're here today because of a uniquely American invention.
1116 01:20:09 Teflon.
1117 01:20:11 Since 1961, Teflon has liberated housewives...
1118 01:20:13 - No, no, no. - Excuse me. Homemakers...
1119 01:20:17 This is a courtroom, Mr. Wallace.
1120 01:20:19 Not the Home Shopping Network.
1121 01:20:23 Plaintiffs have alleged that DuPont
1122 01:20:25 did not meet its own standard of safety
1123 01:20:27 with regard to the level of C-8 in the local water supply.
1124 01:20:32 That's irrelevant, Your Honor.
1125 01:20:34 We ask you to dismiss on grounds
1126 01:20:35 that the only standard that matters,
1127 01:20:37 is the one that elected government deems safe.
1128 01:20:40 Not if it's unregulated.
1129 01:20:41 It's government's job to make these determinations.
1130 01:20:43 - Not any one company. - It's a trap.
1131 01:20:45 They can't revert back to...
1132 01:20:46 I got it.
1133 01:20:48 Is there a problem, Mr. Deitzler?
1134 01:20:50 Apologies, Your Honor,
1135 01:20:51 but DuPont has been hiding the dangers of this chemical
1136 01:20:55 from the government for a while now.
1137 01:20:57 And they're asking you to let them off the hook
1138 01:21:00 because they've succeeded in their strategy.
1139 01:21:02 Government doesn't regulate C-8.
1140 01:21:05 Actually, that's not true.
1141 01:21:06 No, no.
1142 01:21:07 The West Virginia's C-8 Working Group
1143 01:21:09 has just issued a standard.
1144 01:21:11 Here with us today,
1145 01:21:13 is the governmental official who led that effort,
1146 01:21:15 Dr. Mary Sue Kimball.
1147 01:21:19 And, Dr. Kimball, as a senior member
1148 01:21:22 of the State's Department of Environmental Protection,
1149 01:21:24 isn't it, in fact, your duty,
1150 01:21:26 - to protect the citizens of West Virginia... - Mr. Wallace.
1151 01:21:29 I'll cut to the chase.
1152 01:21:32 What is the level of C-8 in drinking water
1153 01:21:34 that the State of West Virginia
1154 01:21:36 has determined to be completely safe?
1155 01:21:38 Watch it go from one part per billion to?
1156 01:21:39 - Five. - Ten?
1157 01:21:41 150 parts per billion.
1158 01:21:44 - Welcome to West Virginia. - The levels found in the wells
1159 01:21:46 of all six water districts represented in this suit,
1160 01:21:50 do they fall below this maximum level?
1161 01:21:52 Well below.
1162 01:21:54 Nothing else, Your Honor.
1163 01:21:57 Your witness, Mr. Deitzler.
1164 01:21:58 Wait. Who's on the working group?
1165 01:22:00 DuPont, of course, and who else?
1166 01:22:01 - Who did the water testing? - Mr. Deitzler?
1167 01:22:03 - When was it done? - One moment, Judge.
1168 01:22:04 What was the sample size?
1169 01:22:06 We should be able to see...
1170 01:22:07 Going once, going twice...
1171 01:22:11 Dr. Kimball, who were the members of this cabal
1172 01:22:15 you call the C-8 working group?
1173 01:22:17 Objection.
1174 01:22:18 Cool it, Mr. Deitzler.
1175 01:22:22 Go ahead, Dr. Kimball.
1176 01:22:23 Agency officials,
1177 01:22:25 representatives of the scientific community, um, stakeholders.
1178 01:22:29 Stakeholders? Which stakeholders?
1179 01:22:30 Oh, wait, let me guess. It rhymes with bouffant?
1180 01:22:35 DuPont is a stakeholder. Yes.
1181 01:22:37 So, I see.
1182 01:22:38 So, don't you find it peculiar that on the eve
1183 01:22:41 of a class action lawsuit,
1184 01:22:43 where DuPont might be considered liable
1185 01:22:46 for poisoning this community,
1186 01:22:49 they get you to come in here suddenly
1187 01:22:52 and reverse decades of their so-called heralded science?
1188 01:22:57 That's false. I don't work for DuPont.
1189 01:22:59 I didn't say you did.
1190 01:23:01 But now you bring it up, we'll check back in a month.
1191 01:23:03 - Your Honor... - You honestly, was gonna plan on
1192 01:23:05 telling this community that they can drink 150 times more C-8?
1193 01:23:10 I mean, come on, people, bottoms up.
1194 01:23:12 Honestly, Judge...
1195 01:23:13 All right, Mr. Deitzler, enough.
1196 01:23:16 We'll be unveiling the new standard
1197 01:23:18 at an upcoming public hearing.
1198 01:23:20 Unveiling. Oh, that sounds like a party.
1199 01:23:24 We'll be there!
1200 01:23:31 Their safety standards thing, that's all a sham.
1201 01:23:33 Thanks to the Judge's decision,
1202 01:23:35 we will have our day in court.
1203 01:23:37 Yes, we will!
1204 01:23:38 Because if the state of West Virginia
1205 01:23:41 won't stop the DuPont Corporation
1206 01:23:43 from literally poisoning its citizens,
1207 01:23:45 then we, the citizens, will stop them ourselves.
1208 01:23:51 Good evening and welcome to 20/20.
1209 01:23:53 Well, it coats the pots you cook with so the food doesn't stick.
1210 01:23:57 It protects the carpet your baby crawls on.
1211 01:24:01 I miss carpet.
1212 01:24:03 ...your skin lotion, even your makeup.
1213 01:24:05 We're talking about Teflon.
1214 01:24:07 And tonight our 20/20 investigation uncovers
1215 01:24:10 alarming information about this much-used material.
1216 01:24:14 It is very alarming, Barbara. I cook with Teflon.
1217 01:24:17 I didn't know until I watched this report that you're about to see,
1218 01:24:20 that if Teflon gets hot enough...
1219 01:24:22 ...millions of people have in their homes.
1220 01:24:24 Teflon has become such a familiar...
1221 01:24:25 ...Substance that is also used in clothing and cars. Even in contact lenses.
1222 01:24:28 ...already found in the blood of most Americans.
1223 01:24:35 ...millions of homes across Australia. Teflon, a non-stick surface...
1224 01:24:38 The Environmental Protection Agency
1225 01:24:40 this morning announced it has opened a priority review of the chemical C-8,
1226 01:24:45 currently the subject of a class action lawsuit
1227 01:24:48 against the chemical giant DuPont.
1228 01:24:50 Joe!
1229 01:24:53 Joe! Oh, my Lord! Joe, just wait!
1230 01:24:56 Wait for the fire department, please, honey!
1231 01:24:59 Please don't go crazy!
1232 01:25:01 ...have triggered a mass panic amongst Chinese consumers.
1233 01:25:03 ...just throw away your non-stick pans, many experts...
1234 01:25:06 Are your pans making you sick?
1235 01:25:09 That's the question being asked...
1236 01:25:10 ...kitchen implements coated in Teflon.
1237 01:25:14 The house was empty. It belongs to my father.
1238 01:25:18 I don't know how it could've started.
1239 01:25:20 His name Kiger?
1240 01:25:23 Think someone might have got the wrong house?
1241 01:25:33 All of this hullabaloo is just silly.
1242 01:25:37 Teflon is completely safe for cooking.
1243 01:25:41 That is why we founded the Cook Healthy campaign,
1244 01:25:44 to set the record straight.
1245 01:25:45 And besides being completely safe, it is also...
1246 01:25:57 Copy that.
1247 01:26:02 All the way down.
1248 01:27:08 We're now on the record.
1249 01:27:09 This is the videotaped deposition of Charles O. Holliday, Jr.,
1250 01:27:13 taken by the plaintiffs in the matter of Kiger et al
1251 01:27:16 v. the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company.
1252 01:27:19 Raise your right hand.
1253 01:27:22 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
1254 01:27:24 I do.
1255 01:27:27 Uh, please state your name.
1256 01:27:30 Charles O. Holliday, Jr.
1257 01:27:32 And are you presently employed?
1258 01:27:36 Yes.
1259 01:27:38 What is your position?
1260 01:27:41 I'm the chairman and chief executive officer of the DuPont Company.
1261 01:27:45 In DuPont's most recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission,
1262 01:27:50 you state, "Based on over 50 years of industry experience
1263 01:27:55 "and extensive scientific study,
1264 01:27:57 "DuPont believes there is no evidence that PFOA causes
1265 01:28:01 "any adverse human health effects or harms the environment."
1266 01:28:06 You signed that legal filing, correct?
1267 01:28:08 I don't recall the exact statement, but that sounds right to me.
1268 01:28:11 Are you aware that DuPont has, in its own files,
1269 01:28:15 studies dating back to the 1970s that say just the opposite?
1270 01:28:20 That PFOA, or C-8, as it's called,
1271 01:28:23 has potentially life-threatening effects on human health?
1272 01:28:26 I'm not familiar with the exact studies we may have in our files.
1273 01:28:29 Then I'll take you through them. Uh, Exhibit 9.
1274 01:28:38 Uh, you were just handed Exhibit 9.
1275 01:28:42 - Uh, do you see the date March 13th, 1979? - Yes.
1276 01:28:46 - Do you see the DuPont logo at the top? - Yes.
1277 01:28:49 - Do you see this word here, highlighted? - Yes.
1278 01:28:52 - Would you read it for me, please? - "Receptors."
1279 01:28:56 Do you know what that word refers to, receptors?
1280 01:29:00 Um, in this context, I do not.
1281 01:29:03 It means human beings.
1282 01:29:05 DuPont refers to the men and women
1283 01:29:07 that your company exposed to C-8 as receptors.
1284 01:29:11 And in these receptors, your scientists found,
1285 01:29:16 "significantly higher incidents of allergic endocrine
1286 01:29:20 "and metabolic disorders."
1287 01:29:22 As well as, "excess risk of developing liver disease."
1288 01:29:27 - Do you see that? - Yes.
1289 01:29:31 Moreover, you have infertility at Teflon.
1290 01:29:34 Occurrences of leukemia.
1291 01:29:37 You have excess of cancers.
1292 01:29:39 Bladder, kidney, oral, pharynx.
1293 01:29:41 Next paragraph. 78.
1294 01:29:44 Do you see that heading? Do you see that date? Do you see that?
1295 01:29:46 Exhibit 96. Exhibit 53.
1296 01:29:49 I'd like to move on to birth defects.
1297 01:29:51 We've gone almost seven hours.
1298 01:29:52 Mr. Holliday, you're aware that in 1981
1299 01:29:55 3M notified DuPont that it had conducted studies on rats.
1300 01:29:59 And these studies showed
1301 01:30:01 that sustained C-8 exposure can cause facial deformities?
1302 01:30:04 I'm not aware of a study by 3M.
1303 01:30:06 How about DuPont's own studies that showed the same thing in humans?
1304 01:30:14 That's DuPont's pregnancy study from 1981.
1305 01:30:18 Does that look like a DuPont document to you?
1306 01:30:20 It looks to be.
1307 01:30:23 Are you aware that DuPont has denied that any such study
1308 01:30:27 ever even took place?
1309 01:30:30 I'm not familiar with specific statements we've made about that.
1310 01:30:33 Seven pregnant women, all DuPont employees,
1311 01:30:37 all from the Teflon line.
1312 01:30:40 Do you see this here?
1313 01:30:42 "Child, four months, one nostril,
1314 01:30:46 - "eye defect." - Yes.
1315 01:30:49 Two of the seven women, nearly 30%, gave birth
1316 01:30:52 to babies that had the exact facial deformities that your company
1317 01:30:56 - already knew about. - We're done here.
1318 01:31:00 Sir.
1319 01:31:03 His parents named him Bucky.
1320 01:31:08 Bucky Bailey.
1321 01:31:12 This is your receptor.
1322 01:31:22 Now we're done.
1323 01:33:01 The Environmental Protection Agency has levied the largest fine
1324 01:33:05 in agency history against the chemical giant, DuPont.
1325 01:33:09 The EPA concluded the company failed to report the health dangers of C-8
1326 01:33:14 used in the manufacture of Teflon.
1327 01:33:17 DuPont will pay the EPA 16.5 million.
1328 01:33:22 It earns a billion dollars in profits from Teflon each year.
1329 01:33:33 To recap,
1330 01:33:34 we've agreed that DuPont will clean local water supplies.
1331 01:33:38 Install infiltration systems in all six water districts.
1332 01:33:42 Additionally, DuPont will pay 70 million in cash to the Class.
1333 01:33:46 Three days' revenue on the Teflon line.
1334 01:33:49 Which leaves our most challenging issue. Medical monitoring.
1335 01:33:53 We've agreed to establish an independent science panel
1336 01:33:56 comprised of three scientists who have no relationship to either side.
1337 01:34:02 This independent panel will study the members of this Class
1338 01:34:05 to determine whether C-8 exposure has led to increased incidents
1339 01:34:09 of disease in this region.
1340 01:34:12 If the panel finds that there are probable scientific links
1341 01:34:15 to a particular disease, the health of everyone in the Class
1342 01:34:19 will be monitored for that disease in perpetuity
1343 01:34:23 at DuPont's cost, up to 235 million.
1344 01:34:26 And any Class member who develops that disease
1345 01:34:29 can sue DuPont for damages.
1346 01:34:32 However...
1347 01:34:34 If the science panel fails to establish probable scientific links,
1348 01:34:39 then this case is over.
1349 01:34:40 No monitoring. No lawsuits. No exceptions.
1350 01:34:44 Good. Well, gentlemen, you are now officially in the hands of science.
1351 01:34:49 Well, wouldn't have pegged you as a Mai Tai guy.
1352 01:34:55 - It's festive. - Wouldn't have pegged you for that either.
1353 01:34:57 We have something to celebrate. Yeah?
1354 01:35:00 Do we?
1355 01:35:03 Look, how do we know that the panel's gonna prove
1356 01:35:06 that DuPont made all these people sick?
1357 01:35:10 I'm no scientist, but even I know you'd need
1358 01:35:12 huge amounts of medical data, not to mention
1359 01:35:15 thousands of blood samples and...
1360 01:35:17 From people who don't trust us.
1361 01:35:19 "Hey, folks, we wanna stick you with some needles. You won't mind, will ya?"
1362 01:35:24 I know these people, you know.
1363 01:35:27 They're gonna take the money and run.
1364 01:35:30 Wouldn't you?
1365 01:35:31 I think they want more than just the money. I think they
1366 01:35:36 They wanna know if they're gonna get sick or not.
1367 01:35:39 Or if they have C-8 in their blood, and what that's gonna do
1368 01:35:42 to them and their families.
1369 01:35:46 So, we're just gonna trust that they show up?
1370 01:35:48 - Trust, but verify. - What does that mean, Rob?
1371 01:35:53 Well, come in for an exam.
1372 01:35:56 Um, give us a blood sample.
1373 01:36:00 Then, we'll give you your check.
1374 01:36:05 On second thought, make mine a Mai Tai.
1375 01:36:07 All around, please.
1376 01:36:10 - Rob Bilott. - Yeah.
1377 01:36:12 Where'd you pull that out of?
1378 01:36:15 Healthy drinking water is vital to all of us.
1379 01:36:17 That's why scientists need to know if the chemical C-8
1380 01:36:20 causes any health problems.
1381 01:36:22 Starting today, you can help by completing a health questionnaire and having...
1382 01:36:29 Oh, come on!
1383 01:36:31 ...medical van's downtown. Well, how about you?
1384 01:36:32 - You gonna get your blood tested? - Nah. I hate needles.
1385 01:36:37 It's $400, buddy.
1386 01:36:39 Really?
1387 01:36:40 Got your attention, didn't I?
1388 01:37:11 Okay. Okay. All right. All right.
1389 01:37:15 Yeah. That'll work.
1390 01:37:17 We bring them back here.
1391 01:37:20 Draw the blood, hand them a check.
1392 01:37:22 - $400? - Each.
1393 01:37:25 Lots of money around here.
1394 01:37:27 How many you brought with you today, Miss LUAnn?
1395 01:37:29 My husband, and my three kids, and me.
1396 01:37:31 $2,000.00
1397 01:37:33 - Not too shabby right before Christmas. - Yup.
1398 01:37:36 But you ain't gonna find nothing.
1399 01:37:39 DuPont's good people. You'll see.
1400 01:37:45 Gigi, Gigi, Gigi!
1401 01:37:47 It's your turn to put the angel on the top.
1402 01:37:51 - You do it, sweetie. - Gigi's too pooped.
1403 01:37:53 Why don't you get your Uncle Ben to give you a boost?
1404 01:37:56 - Ooh. - Mom, you okay?
1405 01:37:59 Yeah.
1406 01:38:00 Seriously, it's huge.
1407 01:38:02 They're gonna be making you partner this year. I know it.
1408 01:38:04 Well, they'd better. I mean...
1409 01:38:06 Mommy, come see!
1410 01:38:08 Hey, baby, did you hang that ornament?
1411 01:38:09 - Rob, can you get that? - Let me see.
1412 01:38:11 Okay, I'm coming.
1413 01:38:16 Hello?
1414 01:38:17 - Rob, you sitting down for this? - Larry, what's wrong?
1415 01:38:20 - Sixty-nine thousand. - Sixty-nine thousand what?
1416 01:38:23 Sixty-nine thousand people got tested. Sixty-nine thousand!
1417 01:38:26 Do you realize how much data this is?
1418 01:38:29 It's what we needed, Rob! This is it!
1419 01:38:30 - Oh, my God. - You were right all along, my friend.
1420 01:38:33 - Merry Christmas! - Thank you!
1421 01:38:34 - You bet. - Thank you!
1422 01:38:36 Talk real soon.
1423 01:38:39 - Hey, who was that? - You won't believe it.
1424 01:38:41 - Daddy, guess what I just did? - What? What'd you just do?
1425 01:38:43 I put the angel on the top.
1426 01:38:45 - Yeah? - Uncle Ben lifted me.
1427 01:38:47 He did? Like this? Oh!
1428 01:38:49 - Merry Christmas, everyone! - Merry Christmas!
1429 01:39:08 We are gathered here today in the memory of Wilbur Earl Tennant.
1430 01:39:13 "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
1431 01:39:17 "He makes me lie down in green pastures.
1432 01:39:20 "He leads me besides still waters. He restoreth my soul.
1433 01:39:25 "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
1434 01:39:28 "I will fear no evil..."
1435 01:40:03 Quick, everybody. Mustard or ketchup?
1436 01:40:05 Teddy, for the tenth time, that's my ketchup.
1437 01:40:07 - Charlie, don't start. - What? It's mine. I got it.
1438 01:40:10 - He's got his own, okay? - You're that lawyer.
1439 01:40:13 Finish up.
1440 01:40:16 My brother's Dale Lamb. You took his blood. Said you'd help him.
1441 01:40:20 Yeah, I did. We're... We're working on it. I promise.
1442 01:40:23 He's dead.
1443 01:40:26 Testicular cancer.
1444 01:40:30 Left three little boys younger than yours.
1445 01:40:38 But you enjoy your family.
1446 01:40:43 Okay. Everybody up.
1447 01:40:44 - I'm not finished. - I said up.
1448 01:41:24 Well, Darlene can't even leave the house without being harassed!
1449 01:41:29 First, they blame us for suing DuPont,
1450 01:41:33 and now they hate on us 'cause they ain't seen nothing from it!
1451 01:41:36 - I'm sorry, Joe... - Well, that ain't good enough!
1452 01:41:40 And they wonder why in the hell it takes four damn years
1453 01:41:43 to read a lousy blood sample, and I don't blame 'em!
1454 01:41:47 We trusted you, Rob. We put our faith in you.
1455 01:41:51 - I know, Joe. I'm so... - All right?
1456 01:41:58 Isn't there just some kind of a progress report?
1457 01:42:02 Anything that I can share with these folks?
1458 01:42:06 I mean, they... They have been waiting.
1459 01:42:08 I'm sorry, Mr. Bilott.
1460 01:42:10 The Panel is still in the process of
1461 01:42:12 analyzing complex data and modeling
1462 01:42:14 from thousands of samples and medical histories.
1463 01:42:16 I'm so sorry. Could you hold a moment?
1464 01:42:30 Charlie, don't pick at your food.
1465 01:42:34 What's a hooker?
1466 01:42:37 Where did you learn that?
1467 01:42:39 He told me that Mary Magdalene was a hooker.
1468 01:42:43 - What? She was. - You're supposed to say prostitute.
1469 01:42:46 And then she found God
1470 01:42:49 and became one of Jesus's most fervent disciples.
1471 01:42:53 See? I was just teaching him the Bible.
1472 01:42:55 I can't today. So everybody up.
1473 01:42:59 Everybody up!
1474 01:43:08 - Can we still afford it? - What?
1475 01:43:12 Catholic school.
1476 01:43:29 My brother's back in rehab. Did you know that?
1477 01:43:34 - No, I'm sorry. - Today's...
1478 01:43:39 Today's Mom's first day at chemo.
1479 01:43:42 I forgot.
1480 01:43:43 'Cause it's not about your case, Rob.
1481 01:43:46 Car!
1482 01:43:47 Gosh
1483 01:43:55 Teddy forged my signature, and Tony's quitting football. Tony.
1484 01:43:58 But how would you know about that, right?
1485 01:44:01 Because all you see, all that you...
1486 01:44:03 You... The boys have ever seen is you, obsessing about this...
1487 01:44:11 Have I ever complained?
1488 01:44:16 Say something, for God's sakes, Rob!
1489 01:44:19 - No. - No?
1490 01:44:21 - No. - No.
1491 01:44:24 Because I knew that you needed something.
1492 01:44:26 Some connection... Something.
1493 01:44:29 And...
1494 01:44:30 So I took it on.
1495 01:44:33 But if you want to start accounting, if you want to start with,
1496 01:44:37 "Oh, can we afford," then...
1497 01:44:42 I don't know, Rob.
1498 01:44:45 Can the boys afford a father who can't string two words together?
1499 01:44:47 Can our marriage afford 13 years of...
1500 01:44:50 Thirteen years of this?
1501 01:44:55 How about it, Rob? You wanna talk about it? About our lives?
1502 01:45:02 Of course not.
1503 01:45:05 I'll tell Mom you asked about her.
1504 01:45:11 What in God's name is that Panel doing? Why are we still getting bills?
1505 01:45:14 Overhead. Uh...
1506 01:45:17 Local counsel.
1507 01:45:18 - Harry's call center... - $1,000 an hour.
1508 01:45:21 That... That was a technical expert.
1509 01:45:23 We needed to do filings when DuPont started lobbying Washington...
1510 01:45:27 That's Washington's problem, not ours.
1511 01:45:29 That's why you got them involved. Your memo.
1512 01:45:31 It was just a fine, Tom. It's a fine. Sixteen million.
1513 01:45:34 It's... It's nothing for these people. It's pocket change.
1514 01:45:37 Yes, but if they get charged with criminal concealment, game over.
1515 01:45:39 - You said DOJ was investigating. - Not anymore.
1516 01:45:42 - What? - They dropped the investigation.
1517 01:45:44 - They dropped... What? - They dropped it. No reason given.
1518 01:45:49 Tom, our government is captive to DuPont.
1519 01:45:53 This case, it's the only hope we have.
1520 01:45:56 They know that, and they're trying to make it as expensive
1521 01:45:59 as they can to force you to make me stop.
1522 01:46:04 - Just tell me how much longer. - I...
1523 01:46:07 I... I can't. I... wish I could.
1524 01:46:12 - Tom, I... - Are you okay?
1525 01:46:13 Um, I'm fine. I'm just...
1526 01:46:15 Rob, I'm a Managing Partner now. I have a firm to run.
1527 01:46:20 I know. And Tom, I think there could be a huge payout here...
1528 01:46:24 You think I'm in this for money?
1529 01:46:26 - No, I... - You think I am...
1530 01:46:27 Letting you drag this firm's reputation through a meat grinder
1531 01:46:32 for some kind of plaintiff's payoff?
1532 01:46:36 I... I don't know why you're doing it.
1533 01:46:43 Rob, listen, I... I'm sorry,
1534 01:46:45 but you're gonna have to take another pay cut.
1535 01:46:48 Tom, that's... That's my fourth pay cut.
1536 01:46:51 I... I'm down to a third now.
1537 01:46:54 You don't have any clients. No one will take your calls.
1538 01:46:58 What am I supposed to do here? Now, I'm on your side, but...
1539 01:47:02 Rob?
1540 01:47:04 Amy? Amy!
1541 01:47:07 - Kathleen! - Get some help!
1542 01:47:09 - Kathleen! - Get some help!
1543 01:47:11 Rob! Rob!
1544 01:47:23 Looks like we should, uh, cancel
1545 01:47:25 my 4:00 with Jerry and...
1546 01:47:28 I don't know. We're waiting to find out.
1547 01:47:31 It was, uh...
1548 01:47:35 Make... Make sure that, uh, Jerry knows that...
1549 01:47:39 I... I have to go.
1550 01:47:42 - Mrs. Bilott? - Yes.
1551 01:47:43 We think your husband's most likely experienced a TIA.
1552 01:47:47 A transient ischemic attack.
1553 01:47:49 Blood is briefly cut off to the brain, mimicking the symptoms of a stroke.
1554 01:47:55 Uh, excuse me. A TIA? This wasn't short.
1555 01:47:59 It... It kept going on.
1556 01:48:01 What about poison?
1557 01:48:03 I'm sorry?
1558 01:48:05 Could someone be poisoning him?
1559 01:48:08 No, Mrs. Bilott. This is neurological.
1560 01:48:12 You just said it wasn't a stroke.
1561 01:48:13 Well, not this time.
1562 01:48:15 - What does that mean - Well, it means that
1563 01:48:17 he needs to never miss his medication
1564 01:48:19 And needs to reduce all sources of stress in his life.
1565 01:48:22 He's under enormous pressure at work.
1566 01:48:25 Well, that needs to change. But he's a young man.
1567 01:48:29 He shouldn't be having these incidences.
1568 01:48:32 He's sedated, but you can see him.
1569 01:48:34 - I'll check in on him tomorrow. - Thank you. Thank you.
1570 01:48:45 I'll give you some privacy.
1571 01:48:49 Anything you need, call me.
1572 01:48:56 I need you to stop making him feel like a failure.
1573 01:49:05 I appreciate the stress that your family must be going through.
1574 01:49:09 Please don't talk to me like I'm the wife.
1575 01:49:16 Did Rob ever tell you about moving around as a kid?
1576 01:49:20 I...
1577 01:49:21 Ten times before senior year.
1578 01:49:24 No friends, no ties, no...
1579 01:49:26 Just him, his sister, his folks.
1580 01:49:31 Then I came along and you came along and...
1581 01:49:36 Taft, it's not just a job.
1582 01:49:38 To him it's... It's home.
1583 01:49:45 And he was willing to risk all that
1584 01:49:48 for a stranger who needed his help.
1585 01:49:52 Now, you and I may not know what that is,
1586 01:49:59 but it's not failure.
1587 01:50:35 Lord, you have searched my heart
1588 01:50:40 And you know when I sit and when I stand
1589 01:50:45 Your hand is upon me
1590 01:50:49 Protecting me from death
1591 01:50:52 Keeping me from harm
1592 01:50:59 Oh, Lord, I know you are near
1593 01:51:10 Standing always at
1594 01:51:15 My side
1595 01:51:45 Hey, do you know the score?
1596 01:51:49 The game? Sorry, my radio's busted.
1597 01:51:54 Sorry.
1598 01:51:56 Don't worry about it. It'll be a surprise.
1599 01:51:58 Bucky, come on. We'll be late.
1600 01:52:01 Have a good one.
1601 01:53:45 Hey, Rob, Bill Leary. We haven't met.
1602 01:53:48 I'm the new comptroller out of Indianapolis.
1603 01:53:50 Listen, we need to talk about these unbilled hours and these unreimbursed...
1604 01:54:10 - Hello? - Mr. Bilott?
1605 01:54:13 Yes?
1606 01:54:14 I guess I should start by apologizing for taking...
1607 01:54:18 well, seven years to call you.
1608 01:54:20 - Who is this? - Oh, yes, of course.
1609 01:54:22 - It's Dr. Karen Frank from the... - Science Panel?
1610 01:54:27 Again, I'm so sorry to have kept you waiting this long, Mr. Bilott.
1611 01:54:32 - But there was just so much data... - Please, Doctor, please,
1612 01:54:35 can you...
1613 01:54:36 Would just please tell me what's happened?
1614 01:54:38 What's happening? What you've found out?
1615 01:54:41 Yes. You gave us an unprecedented amount of data.
1616 01:54:45 The largest epidemiological study in human history.
1617 01:54:49 It's irrefutable. We have linked sustained exposure to C-8
1618 01:54:53 to six categories of serious illness.
1619 01:55:01 Kidney cancer, testicular cancer...
1620 01:55:05 thyroid disease, preeclampsia...
1621 01:55:08 high cholesterol, ulcerative colitis.
1622 01:55:12 3,635 people in the Class already have these diseases.
1623 01:55:17 Many more will develop them.
1624 01:55:20 Thanks to you the entire Class will be monitored...
1625 01:55:24 and those who get sick can seek restitution.
1626 01:55:29 You did a good thing here, Mr. Bilott. You did good.
1627 01:55:35 Thank you.
1628 01:57:30 Rob? What happened?
1629 01:57:37 Rob?
1630 01:57:41 DuPont, they're reneging.
1631 01:57:45 - Which part? - All of it.
1632 01:57:49 They're tearing up our agreement.
1633 01:57:51 Rejecting the Science Panel.
1634 01:57:52 They're gonna fight every claim in court.
1635 01:57:56 Thousands of claims. People, sick people, they'll give up.
1636 01:58:00 They can't fight DuPont!
1637 01:58:02 How can they go back on...
1638 01:58:04 - Sarah. - They can't go back on everything.
1639 01:58:07 They're a titan of industry.
1640 01:58:08 They can do whatever the hell they want.
1641 01:58:09 Nothing else matters.
1642 01:58:11 They can fight you all they want.
1643 01:58:12 It doesn't take away from what you've done!
1644 01:58:14 Of course, it does. That's exactly what it does!
1645 01:58:19 They want to show the world that it's no use fighting.
1646 01:58:21 Look, everybody, even he can't crack the maze
1647 01:58:24 and he's helped build it!
1648 01:58:26 The system is rigged!
1649 01:58:29 They want us to think it'll protect us,
1650 01:58:31 but that's a lie.
1651 01:58:32 We protect us. We do.
1652 01:58:34 Nobody else.
1653 01:58:37 Not the companies. Not the scientists.
1654 01:58:40 Not the government. Us.
1655 01:58:45 A farmer with a 12th grade education told me that.
1656 01:58:51 On day one, he knew and I thought he was crazy.
1657 01:59:03 Isn't that crazy?
1658 01:59:09 No.
1659 02:00:16 All rise.
1660 02:00:18 The honorable Timothy Burg...
1661 02:00:19 United States District Judge for the Southern District of Ohio presiding.
1662 02:00:23 This court is now in session pursuant to the adjournment.
1663 02:00:26 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye.
1664 02:00:27 All persons having business with this honorable court
1665 02:00:30 draw near, give their attention and they shall be heard.
1666 02:00:33 God save the United States and this honorable court.
1667 02:00:36 Please be seated.
1668 02:00:38 And we're here this morning for a jury trial.
1669 02:00:41 So, 3,535 claims.
1670 02:00:46 At a rate of four or five cases a year,
1671 02:00:48 we can all expect to be here till...
1672 02:00:51 Well, the year 2890. If we're lucky.
1673 02:00:55 Guess we'd better get started.
1674 02:00:57 Mrs. Johnson, is your attorney present?
1675 02:01:00 Good morning, Your Honor.
1676 02:01:01 Rob Bilott for the plaintiff.
1677 02:01:03 Oh, still here, huh?
1678 02:01:06 Still here.