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1 00:00:20 Oh, God, there must be a better way.
2 00:00:22 There must be a better way to describe things,
3 00:00:26 to arrange words in a new way, to use words,
4 00:00:30 to take you to a place beyond words.
5 00:00:34 There must be.
6 00:00:35 I'm so glad that we could finally sit down together.
7 00:00:38 I know we haven't had a chance to do that since Sonia retired.
8 00:00:42 I know that she is... She is very sad to go.
9 00:00:46 - Understandably, but... - It's just such a shame.
10 00:00:50 Retiring at, what, 70? Why?
11 00:00:53 - Well-- - It doesn't make any sense to me.
12 00:00:57 Well, I know that... That her husband obviously hasn't been--
13 00:01:00 The husband is ill.
14 00:01:02 The children are needy. The children are 40.
15 00:01:06 But are more needy than ever. So that's confusing.
16 00:01:11 And how long have you been at the agency?
17 00:01:14 I know we've spoken on the phone...
18 00:01:17 for a couple of years.
19 00:01:20 Well, I've been...
20 00:01:22 I think it's been eight years I've been at the agency now,
21 00:01:26 and I've been assisting Sonia for the last seven.
22 00:01:29 So, actually, I know it may seem that I'm new, but I've been...
23 00:01:33 - Gosh. - ...working on your account and working on your sales,
24 00:01:37 and I should say that there is a lot of excitement at the agency
25 00:01:42 regarding your new manuscript,
26 00:01:45 and without wanting to pry too much,
27 00:01:47 is there anything you might be able to...
28 00:01:49 - to share with us? - Not really. Not at this point, no.
29 00:01:54 I'm sorry to be so blunt, but...
30 00:01:58 Sonia never invaded my process in any way,
31 00:02:02 and she always gave me free rein.
32 00:02:04 She gave me the dignity
33 00:02:06 and the respect of complete autonomy.
34 00:02:14 - Everyone's very excited. Um... - Great.
35 00:02:18 What do you like about my writing?
36 00:02:20 I mean, what pulls you to the material?
37 00:02:24 Well, um...
38 00:02:27 I have to say, I...
39 00:02:29 The first book of yours that I read was You Always, You Never.
40 00:02:34 - And I was-- - Did you ever read A Function of the Body?
41 00:02:39 Was that one of the ones that you liked?
42 00:02:42 That was a much, much better book... Quite frankly.
43 00:02:47 You Always, You Never, yes, it has a residual impact.
44 00:02:51 Uh, it won the Pulitzer, but it's...
45 00:02:54 It's a completely different thing than the Footling Prize.
46 00:02:59 Oh, yes, I meant to bring that up, actually. They are...
47 00:03:02 They are asking for an answer. They're... they're...
48 00:03:06 Obviously, they're hoping that you'll be able to make it, and...
49 00:03:09 Do you realize that they don't give
50 00:03:11 the Footling Prize in fiction every year?
51 00:03:14 It's something that other writers confer on writers.
52 00:03:19 - Well-- - I'm so proud, but I just, uh...
53 00:03:25 I can't attend. I can't attend.
54 00:03:29 It's killing me.
55 00:03:32 But...
56 00:03:35 I can't fly, you see, so...
57 00:03:38 - I can't fly. - Do--
58 00:03:41 - And along with the other things-- - Would you consider...
59 00:03:45 I mean, there may be a way for you
60 00:03:47 to get to the UK without having to fly.
61 00:03:49 I mean, there's a crossing.
62 00:03:51 There's a ship, the Queen Mary 2,
63 00:03:54 that goes from New York to Southampton.
64 00:03:55 I happen to know the director of the Cunard Line.
65 00:03:58 And... you know, they have regular crossings between--
66 00:04:01 Transatlantic crossings, and I'm sure...
67 00:04:05 I'm sure if I spoke to him,
68 00:04:06 they'd be willing to to give you a state room
69 00:04:09 and whatever you needed. I mean, in exchange for...
70 00:04:13 Perhaps if you did a little talk on the boat, then...
71 00:04:16 - Oh, well, I don't think... - Then something could be arranged.
72 00:04:20 Just hear me out. I think...
73 00:04:23 Yes, I think that might be the solution
74 00:04:26 to be able to get you there,
75 00:04:27 because, obviously, this prize
76 00:04:28 means so much to you, as it should,
77 00:04:31 and I know that they'd be thrilled if you were able to make it.
78 00:04:34 And it really is a lovely way to travel. It's a beautiful ship.
79 00:04:39 Could I bring guests?
80 00:04:41 - Yes, of course. - How many?
81 00:04:46 And my main feeling is just feeling like
82 00:04:48 I'm a burden on you, and...
83 00:04:50 Just, like, shoving myself in here when, you know...
84 00:04:53 And I appreciate it. Mika appreciates it.
85 00:04:55 You know, I invited you-- May I just remind you?
86 00:05:00 I invited you. I'm your mom. I'm your family.
87 00:05:04 What's that for if not to...
88 00:05:10 I still don't understand it.
89 00:05:13 What... How could... You did this company together.
90 00:05:17 And I don't understand how he...
91 00:05:20 I think he thinks that I--
92 00:05:21 cut you out. Why he would do that?
93 00:05:24 He used the program that I had developed or I...
94 00:05:27 It was my idea. He actually did the... He was the engineer on it.
95 00:05:31 I don't know, honey. I really don't know.
96 00:05:33 I'm clueless, actually,
97 00:05:35 about what you're going through with this.
98 00:05:37 That a friend should do this to you is kind of outrageous.
99 00:05:42 - It's shock... It's... - It makes me feel violent.
100 00:05:45 - Mom. - It does. Easily.
101 00:05:50 Don't let that motherfucker near me.
102 00:05:53 Why wouldn't you go on this trip? I mean, it sounds fascinating.
103 00:05:57 Well, Cheryl needs more prep time before her parole hearing.
104 00:06:01 Mom, the hearing is six months from now.
105 00:06:05 - Roberta's going, right? - Yes, Roberta's definitely going.
106 00:06:10 And you haven't heard from Alice since Dad died.
107 00:06:14 And when did you last see her and Roberta?
108 00:06:18 I don't think we've seen each other since...
109 00:06:22 Since we all got together in San Francisco.
110 00:06:24 That was, like, when was that?
111 00:06:27 That was...that was over 30 years ago.
112 00:06:33 Well, you got to go.
113 00:06:37 You have... I think you have to go,
114 00:06:38 just to find out why she's reaching out.
115 00:06:41 And why you two? Why now?
116 00:06:46 - How are you? - Fine.
117 00:06:48 So I am very frustrated right now.
118 00:06:51 - Oh, dear. - I know.
119 00:06:54 I called ahead... Are you Carol?
120 00:06:55 No, I am Roberta, as you can see...
121 00:06:58 - I do see it now. - If you have eyeballs.
122 00:06:59 I do. Okay, I called ahead and spoke to someone named Carol.
123 00:07:03 Perhaps was your manager, I don't know.
124 00:07:05 And I don't want to get you in trouble.
125 00:07:07 But she did tell me that you have
126 00:07:09 a peacock blue panty and bra set.
127 00:07:14 And that is what I'm here for, and all I am seeing is teal.
128 00:07:19 - So... - Can I just point out
129 00:07:22 that the difference between teal
130 00:07:24 and peacock is as fine as a hair.
131 00:07:28 Maybe to you.
132 00:07:29 I have a highly developed sense of color. I'm a designer.
133 00:07:32 There's too much yellow in this. Now, let me help you understand.
134 00:07:41 Clovis, remember, I am leaving today for two weeks,
135 00:07:45 and I'll be back on the 16th, okay?
136 00:07:47 - Wait, you're going away? - Yeah.
137 00:07:50 I told you all this in the email about three weeks ago.
138 00:07:53 - I gave you the whole itinerary. - I didn't get your email.
139 00:07:57 - I think you did. - I didn't get an email from you.
140 00:07:59 - Because I sent it. - Okay, can you get someone to cover you?
141 00:08:02 - 'Cause I have you five days next week. - No, but I think you can.
142 00:08:06 Because that's your job as manager. Bye-bye.
143 00:08:15 Who are the other two people she invited?
144 00:08:19 They're her... like, her two oldest friends from college.
145 00:08:22 - Really? - Yeah, so they've been friends for like 50 years.
146 00:08:25 - Jesus. - Just been chillin'.
147 00:08:28 Or I guess they haven't seen each other in a while, I'm not sure.
148 00:08:30 I don't know, for our generation,
149 00:08:32 what friendship will look like over a long period of time.
150 00:08:35 At least, I've only had friends for four years at a time,
151 00:08:37 and these women have been friends for 50 years, so--
152 00:08:40 Just trying to, maybe study them and learn.
153 00:08:42 Maybe I can learn something from it, you know?
154 00:08:46 And, what, she's, like, a TV person?
155 00:08:48 No, she's a writer. She's... An author.
156 00:08:52 - Do you not know this? - You didn't tell us anything about this.
157 00:08:54 What do you mean? You don't know who my aunt is? You don't?
158 00:08:58 Alice Hughes, You Always, You Never.
159 00:09:02 It won the Pulitzer Prize.
160 00:09:03 It's been turned into a movie and a miniseries
161 00:09:05 in the last, I don't know, 15, 20 years or something.
162 00:09:09 - You haven't seen it? - This was years ago? Or this was recent?
163 00:09:14 I'm really surprised. It's, like... Well, you should read it.
164 00:09:17 It's an unbelievable book and a great movie.
165 00:09:19 Can you not go? Why would you go?
166 00:09:22 - Yeah. - Aw, thanks.
167 00:09:24 No, it's not a "thanks" moment.
168 00:09:26 I felt so much love from you in that moment,
169 00:09:28 so I had to say thanks.
170 00:09:30 No, I got to go. I got to go do, um...
171 00:09:33 I just got to go do my thing, you know?
172 00:09:36 Take care of these lovely old women.
173 00:09:39 She desperately wants to accept the Footling Prize,
174 00:09:41 but she can't fly,
175 00:09:42 so I've booked her on the Queen Mary 2
176 00:09:44 with her two friends and her nephew.
177 00:09:45 I'm not... She gets on the boat, she takes the boat,
178 00:09:49 and then you take the boat, too, for what purpose, exactly?
179 00:09:54 For years, she's been hinting to Sonia
180 00:09:57 she's revisiting one of her characters.
181 00:09:59 And we're hoping it's Rowena from You Always, You Never.
182 00:10:02 Then again, whenever anyone mentions
183 00:10:04 You Always, You Never, she slags it off.
184 00:10:05 If she hated that book so much,
185 00:10:06 why'd she put it out in the first place?
186 00:10:07 It was a long time ago, so I can understand that she...
187 00:10:09 Know what we're gonna get?
188 00:10:10 Our luck, we're gonna get a sequel to A Function of the Body.
189 00:10:13 Well, she did mention she considers
190 00:10:14 - that to be a much better book. - Oh, my God.
191 00:10:16 Of course she did. Here's a thought.
192 00:10:18 How about a sequel to You Always, You Never,
193 00:10:20 and maybe make it better than the original?
194 00:10:22 How's that for a bold idea?
195 00:10:24 I completely agree,
196 00:10:25 which is why I think I need to be on that ship.
197 00:10:27 It's a big ask. It's not just the cost of the trip.
198 00:10:29 You'll be out of office.
199 00:10:31 - I don't see that there's any other way. - All right.
200 00:10:34 But if this doesn't work out, you're gonna wear it.
201 00:10:40 All right.
202 00:13:48 I feel useful. I feel useful. Yeah.
203 00:13:51 - It's a wonderful feeling. - That's a good feeling.
204 00:13:54 Sometimes it's a heartbreaking thing
205 00:13:55 'cause, you know, they won't get parole.
206 00:13:57 You've been preparing, and the parole board just...
207 00:13:59 Yes, yes.
208 00:14:02 - Anyway, anyway... - You're fighting the good fight.
209 00:14:06 I don't know. I'm trying. I'm trying.
210 00:14:08 The main thing is the connection with the women...
211 00:14:13 - Is just such a gift. - It's everything.
212 00:14:15 It's a gift.
213 00:14:16 What about you, Bert? What have you been up to?
214 00:14:20 Oh, well... Not much, really, not much.
215 00:14:25 I don't advocate for anybody except...
216 00:14:27 I advocate for women's brassieres, basically. Just...
217 00:14:32 - For what, hon? - I sell lingerie.
218 00:14:35 You what, honey? You are in what?
219 00:14:38 I sell lingerie.
220 00:14:40 Tyler, you brought the books. I've brought you books.
221 00:14:43 - Oh, how wonderful. - So that I hope...
222 00:14:45 I hope you'll look at the Realm of the Owl,
223 00:14:48 which is her seminal work.
224 00:14:50 She didn't write very much,
225 00:14:52 but the work that she did write is... Groundbreaking,
226 00:14:59 and I think it's important that we all somehow...
227 00:15:03 share the work before we go
228 00:15:06 and stand at her... at her grave.
229 00:15:10 Thank you.
230 00:15:13 So... speaking of writing, I'm just...
231 00:15:16 I'm just not going to be available.
232 00:15:19 I've got a draft of a novel I'm trying to finish.
233 00:15:22 I have, uh...
234 00:15:25 This address that's...
235 00:15:27 You know, they don't give this prize every year.
236 00:15:30 - But we'll have supper together and-- - Good. Yes.
237 00:15:34 You can tell me all the things that I'm missing out on.
238 00:15:39 Here's to picking up the conversation where we left off.
239 00:15:43 You know? And here's to, maybe,
240 00:15:47 reconnecting the gang of three we used to be.
241 00:15:53 - Cheers. - Cheers.
242 00:15:56 Yeah, thank you. Have a good one.
243 00:15:58 - Good night. - Thank you. Good night.
244 00:16:03 Hey, Bert, want to go have a drink later?
245 00:16:06 No, I can't.
246 00:16:32 Hey, don't freak out. This is Karen, Alice's agent.
247 00:16:35 I'm actually on this ship.
248 00:16:37 Can you meet me in the Verandah bar in 15 minutes?
249 00:16:40 What?
250 00:16:44 - Karen? - Yeah, hi.
251 00:16:46 - Tyler. - Nice to meet you.
252 00:16:47 Yeah, nice to meet you, too.
253 00:16:49 Heard so much about you from Alice.
254 00:16:51 - Really? - Yeah.
255 00:16:53 - Cool. - Would you like a drink?
256 00:16:56 - Sure, yeah. What'd you have? - Vodka soda.
257 00:17:00 Okay, so can I have a Margarita?
258 00:17:05 - Can you do margarita? - Yeah, sure.
259 00:17:06 Oh, it's amazing. I'm a guest of a friend who's speaking,
260 00:17:11 so I'm very lucky to get to be on this ship.
261 00:17:16 I wouldn't have been able to otherwise, and it's magnificent.
262 00:17:19 Yeah. You know, I was only in the pub. They have a pub on here.
263 00:17:23 I was in the pub, and I actually... I actually managed to sell...
264 00:17:27 You're not supposed to do it, but I actually managed to sell
265 00:17:31 a big quantity of my shoelaces to a guy in the pub.
266 00:17:35 - Yeah, yeah. - Turned a profit on the ship.
267 00:17:39 I have already, yeah. I've done that. I know.
268 00:17:43 We're turning over a lot of money in it.
269 00:17:46 How much money would that be?
270 00:17:49 - Do you want to know? - Yeah.
271 00:17:51 - I've just met you. I mean... - I want to know.
272 00:17:54 Let me start at the beginning.
273 00:17:56 Alice has a manuscript that's due really soon,
274 00:18:00 and everyone at the agency is getting a bit nervous
275 00:18:03 and wondering whether it's gonna be finished on time,
276 00:18:05 whether it's gonna be a sequel to You Always, You Never, and...
277 00:18:08 The problem is nobody there has seen a manuscript.
278 00:18:12 I mean, I haven't seen a manuscript. Have you seen a manuscript?
279 00:18:16 No, I have not seen a manuscript.
280 00:18:19 Okay, the thing is...
281 00:18:22 I was meant to get some answers the other day,
282 00:18:25 and I didn't get any answers, and
283 00:18:28 if I don't get any information soon...
284 00:18:33 I'm gonna be in deep shit.
285 00:18:35 So this is... this is really important.
286 00:18:37 And I'd really appreciate it if you could help me out.
287 00:18:42 I need... It's a really delicate situation, and...
288 00:18:45 You know, I don't want to approach her at the wrong time,
289 00:18:48 and I can't really get close enough
290 00:18:49 to see what her frame of mind is.
291 00:18:51 And I thought maybe you could maybe give me a heads-up as to...
292 00:18:57 how she is, whether she's okay,
293 00:19:00 how's she's feeling and, and then...
294 00:19:03 - Right. - Yeah.
295 00:19:29 Today won't be any different than any other day.
296 00:19:32 - Okay. - And that will be...
297 00:19:33 I'm going to start work on my manuscript
298 00:19:36 and then I'm going to swim at 3:00.
299 00:19:40 Butler will bring-- Pierre will bring me
300 00:19:42 some sort of lunch, I suppose, at 1:00.
301 00:19:45 Then I'll swim, and then I'll come back
302 00:19:48 and work for two more hours.
303 00:19:51 Six o'clock, I'll start to get ready for dinner. Dinner at 7:00
304 00:19:55 and then back to work or bed or both.
305 00:20:00 I'll probably work in bed.
306 00:20:02 And is there anything you need from me within...
307 00:20:08 Working before lunch...
308 00:20:09 No, most of what I want you to do is I just want you to...
309 00:20:14 Take care of them. And make sure that they're happy.
310 00:20:17 I just don't know what's going on with them.
311 00:20:21 You know, I tried last night to... What happened after I left?
312 00:20:24 - Did you go out with Roberta and Susan? - Um, no.
313 00:20:27 Did they go out together?
314 00:20:28 Did they speak to each other? Did they...
315 00:20:31 I don't... I don't know. I was... I just went home.
316 00:20:35 - And started writing some stuff down. - You just went home?
317 00:20:38 - Yeah. - But, Ty...
318 00:20:43 Part of what I... I really do want you to watch out over them.
319 00:20:48 'Cause I'm not able to be with them,
320 00:20:49 and I don't know what they're thinking.
321 00:20:50 I don't know what they're saying. I don't know... I really...
322 00:20:54 It's very important to me that I know
323 00:20:56 something of their state of mind.
324 00:20:59 - Okay. Yeah. Absolutely, I'll, um... - All right?
325 00:21:04 - But I just want to... - That makes me think of something.
326 00:21:07 Can you hand me the manuscript that's over there, on the couch?
327 00:21:17 - And a pen. The red pen. - Yeah.
328 00:21:20 Got two pens.
329 00:21:22 - Thank you, darling. - Here you go.
330 00:21:24 Is... is this your new book?
331 00:21:30 Yeah. This is it.
332 00:21:34 What's it about?
333 00:21:39 it is about trying to
334 00:21:43 catch lightning in a bottle for a second time.
335 00:21:50 Nice.
336 00:22:05 She's in her room till 3:00, then she swims,
337 00:22:08 then back in her room, then dinner at 7:00, then bed.
338 00:22:13 Thanks.
339 00:22:25 What are you doing after dinner?
340 00:23:23 And I'm so curious to talk to you,
341 00:23:26 Alice and Roberta, about what it was like to come up together
342 00:23:32 without any technology, without... to...
343 00:23:37 I can't help but feel like you have a glimpse
344 00:23:41 into the experience of what it's like to not...
345 00:23:47 be obscured by any sort of false selves
346 00:23:51 or to really be intimate with each other in moments of...
347 00:23:56 So I kind of feel like I'm spending time with three...
348 00:24:03 - Almost, like... - Dinosaurs.
349 00:24:05 - No. I was gonna say... - I'm teasing you.
350 00:24:10 I just think that there's...
351 00:24:12 It is true that after your generation,
352 00:24:15 I don't know who will carry the torch for...
353 00:24:20 What really... What humanity really is.
354 00:24:25 I don't think it's that different, you know?
355 00:24:28 I know it's vastly different
356 00:24:31 when you look at it from the outside.
357 00:24:34 And what's happened to your generation...
358 00:24:37 I mean, since you were two, you've been typing away,
359 00:24:40 and so you've grown up with this thing
360 00:24:42 like an appendage on you, you know?
361 00:24:45 But I think that...
362 00:24:49 Depending on what you join up with on,
363 00:24:52 you know, the computer... Facebook or Instagram
364 00:24:55 or whatever you're joining up with...
365 00:24:58 Or not...
366 00:25:00 That human communication is basically the same
367 00:25:04 because humans are basically the same.
368 00:25:42 So, who should I sign this to?
369 00:25:44 - Arabella. - It'd be very nice.
370 00:25:48 - That's my granddaughter. - Granddaughter?
371 00:25:51 Yeah, she's only about, 15 years old?
372 00:25:54 She's seven today. It's her birthday.
373 00:25:56 - It's her birthday? - She's on board, yeah.
374 00:25:58 - She's on board? Where is she? - Oh, yeah, she's by the pool.
375 00:26:01 - By the pool? - Naturally.
376 00:26:04 Well, that's... Can she swim?
377 00:26:14 Okay, so don't look all at the same time,
378 00:26:18 but does anybody know who that guy is,
379 00:26:20 sitting behind me to the right?
380 00:26:21 He was surrounded by a group of fans earlier today.
381 00:26:26 Oh, I think that's him.
382 00:26:29 - I know that's him. - Who?
383 00:26:32 Kelvin Kranz!
384 00:26:35 - Who? - Who is he?
385 00:26:37 He's a writer. He's a huge mystery writer.
386 00:26:40 - He's written hundreds of books. - Have you read any of them?
387 00:26:43 - Oh, all of them. - Almost all of them.
388 00:26:45 Every one of them. Some twice.
389 00:26:48 Good Lord. How is that possible? How is that possible...
390 00:26:51 It's a thrill... He's not like you.
391 00:26:54 Nothing like you at all. He's a thriller, a mystery writer.
392 00:26:58 - A thriller writer. - Yes, I understand.
393 00:27:01 What I don't understand...
394 00:27:04 is how people...
395 00:27:06 How you can read the... The prose just...
396 00:27:11 That kind of writing seems to me like...
397 00:27:14 The prose seems like Styrofoam or something.
398 00:27:17 - But it's plot-driven. - Yes, but the plots are so simplified.
399 00:27:21 It's like a jigsaw puzzle.
400 00:27:22 You know, you match the color and the shape,
401 00:27:24 and then you put it all together.
402 00:27:25 It's all very pat and neat and done.
403 00:27:27 And then, you know, it's a
404 00:27:29 picture that's completely unrelated to life.
405 00:27:32 Life is a mystery, a true mystery.
406 00:27:34 - It's true. - It's true.
407 00:27:36 Yes. I can't wait for the next one.
408 00:27:39 And also, it's like a puzzle you get to solve.
409 00:27:43 - Maybe I'll go over there. - No, no, don't.
410 00:27:47 No, not yet. Don't...
411 00:27:49 Wait until later.
412 00:27:52 - Thank you. - Ma'am, pleasure.
413 00:27:54 - Why don't we go get a drink tonight? - Oh, I can't.
414 00:27:56 I'm going to the masquerade ball.
415 00:28:02 Sounds like fun.
416 00:28:23 Can you hang out?
417 00:28:28 Fuck, yeah.
418 00:28:47 I saw the manuscript.
419 00:28:50 Just saw it. I didn't... I asked her what it was about.
420 00:28:53 She was not really interested in sharing, but she did say that
421 00:28:58 it's about... trying to catch
422 00:29:02 lightning in a bottle for the second time.
423 00:29:10 Lightning in a bottle for the second time, that...
424 00:29:14 That could mean a sequel. Right?
425 00:29:20 Yeah, I suppose it could. I think it could mean a lot of things.
426 00:29:25 Well, that's pretty exciting.
427 00:29:51 I thought that was the direction I was gonna take my life in,
428 00:29:55 and I went to college, and I sort of... I don't know.
429 00:30:00 The more I separated from my dad,
430 00:30:02 the more I saw actually how sketchy of a guy he was.
431 00:30:05 He was, like... kind of an ignorant human being
432 00:30:10 in his politics and his...
433 00:30:13 Just kind of the way he treated...
434 00:30:18 people and specifically, I think, women.
435 00:30:22 And...
436 00:30:25 And... Yeah, and then...
437 00:30:29 He actually got sent to jail because he...
438 00:30:35 blackmailed some very
439 00:30:37 important people at the top of these companies
440 00:30:41 that... that that he worked for.
441 00:30:44 - Yeah. - I don't know if you heard about that.
442 00:30:48 - Yeah, I heard something about that. - Yeah, that's my dad.
443 00:30:52 - Anyway... - It's okay.
444 00:30:56 So... Are you even or odd? I'm odd.
445 00:31:02 - I'm even. - Okay.
446 00:31:05 - All right. - Good night.
447 00:31:06 - Good night. See you tomorrow? - Yeah, definitely.
448 00:31:11 - Okay. - Okay.
449 00:31:42 So it's strange to me the idea
450 00:31:44 that she would come here and avoid you.
451 00:31:48 It's very strange to me.
452 00:31:49 It's strange because she jumped at the opportunity.
453 00:31:52 You know, she jumped at the invitation.
454 00:31:54 Susan, it took two weeks for her
455 00:31:56 to make the arrangements to be able to leave.
456 00:32:01 Then maybe she's trying... She wanted to come here to...
457 00:32:05 To make you uneasy.
458 00:32:09 Oh, I don't...
459 00:32:11 - Or she wanted-- - Do you think she did?
460 00:32:13 Well, maybe not as a whole, but, you know, some...
461 00:32:15 Like, when I was a kid,
462 00:32:17 I would get mad at my parents and yell at them
463 00:32:22 to see that they loved me.
464 00:32:24 Do you know what I mean? I would hurt them.
465 00:32:26 And when I saw the hurt in their eyes,
466 00:32:28 that told me they loved me.
467 00:32:30 And that was a way of comforting myself.
468 00:32:33 Oh, gosh, well, that's a horrible, horrible thought.
469 00:32:36 I hope that's not... That's true,
470 00:32:38 and I'm sorry that happened to you.
471 00:32:40 Well, I did it, so...
472 00:32:42 Yes, but I don't think you...
473 00:32:45 I'm sure your mother came through for you,
474 00:32:47 but I can't imagine that Bud did.
475 00:32:51 Right.
476 00:32:52 Okay, this is the closest that
477 00:32:56 I've been able to come to a viable candidate,
478 00:32:59 Murray Dix. He makes shoelaces.
479 00:33:01 I wish it were a little more glamorous,
480 00:33:03 but I think he's got dough.
481 00:33:05 I need you to find out how much dough he really has.
482 00:33:10 Is it liquid? What's his marital history? Was...
483 00:33:16 Did he abuse a wife? Did he... I mean, am I gonna survive if I...
484 00:33:23 Are there any red flags? Did he do time?
485 00:33:26 That would not be good for my reputation, among other things.
486 00:33:31 Right. Right.
487 00:33:34 - So can you-- - You want me to do a forensic deep dive.
488 00:33:38 - Yes, I know you can do that. - If you will... Yeah, I got you.
489 00:34:04 Where is it?
490 00:34:36 Oh, my God.
491 00:34:54 What?
492 00:35:02 Okay, that's a blemish.
493 00:35:06 But he was acquitted. Isn't that the important thing?
494 00:35:45 - How's it going? - Yeah, good. How are you?
495 00:35:47 I'm doing well.
496 00:35:50 How you feeling today?
497 00:35:52 I hate my life. I loathe my job.
498 00:35:57 I...
499 00:35:59 I desperately want money.
500 00:36:02 I really want money, and I'm
501 00:36:04 not in a position to meet a guy who has any.
502 00:36:08 I mean, I get these old codgers who come into the store,
503 00:36:11 and they want to buy a thong for their teenage girlfriends,
504 00:36:14 while I'm old, rotten meat for them.
505 00:36:17 - They're not interested. - Oh, honey.
506 00:36:19 But, um...
507 00:36:21 You really do believe that Alice
508 00:36:24 and her book just determined your whole life?
509 00:36:29 Don't you?
510 00:36:31 I know I'm not the quickest person
511 00:36:36 around the place, but...
512 00:36:38 I read Alice's book.
513 00:36:40 It never crossed my mind that it was you.
514 00:36:45 It never crossed my mind that it was Crawford.
515 00:36:49 It never crossed my mind that that mechanic guy...
516 00:36:55 had anything to do with Roberta.
517 00:36:59 Nothing. It never crossed my mind.
518 00:37:02 Even though the character's name was Rowena?
519 00:37:05 Why would I put that with you?
520 00:37:07 Well, it crossed everyone else's mind, Susan.
521 00:37:11 It certainly crossed Crawford's.
522 00:37:16 And the judge agreed with him, so, you know, what...
523 00:37:20 - I got nothing. - Oh, God, that's so awful.
524 00:37:24 - Look, he was... - That's so awful.
525 00:37:26 He was a nice man. He was very wealthy.
526 00:37:29 He took very good care of me.
527 00:37:32 - Until... - He didn't.
528 00:37:36 So are you seeing anyone at the moment?
529 00:37:40 No, no one right now.
530 00:37:42 I, um...
531 00:37:46 Okay, so the weirdest thing happened this morning. That guy...
532 00:37:52 I think, was coming out of Alice's room
533 00:37:56 when I went to go see her for breakfast.
534 00:37:59 - What? - Yeah.
535 00:38:01 Like, like, he'd stayed the night?
536 00:38:04 Maybe. I don't know.
537 00:38:07 - Does that-- - Do you think they're having an affair?
538 00:38:09 Again, yeah, I don't know, but it... I don't know why else...
539 00:38:14 he'd be leaving her room or why she wouldn't tell me, but...
540 00:38:19 Maybe she's having a secret affair. Good for her.
541 00:38:21 I know, yeah. Oh, God.
542 00:38:25 So I moved out, and I lived on my own for a bit,
543 00:38:28 and then I got introduced to this guy called Jan,
544 00:38:32 who is a hedge fund manager,
545 00:38:35 and he works between New York and Zurich.
546 00:38:38 So we started seeing each other.
547 00:38:41 And things seemed to be going pretty well.
548 00:38:44 We moved in together.
549 00:38:47 I really felt like I was
550 00:38:49 in a grown-up relationship for the first time.
551 00:38:51 Like, he's quite serious.
552 00:38:54 Like, I felt like it was time that I... that I calmed down.
553 00:38:57 Like, I don't know why I thought that,
554 00:38:59 but in my mind I was like, you know,
555 00:39:01 "It's time to grow up." Like, "This is it. He's the guy."
556 00:39:04 "I'm gonna get married. I'm gonna have kids with him."
557 00:39:09 And I'm just... Yeah.
558 00:39:10 "This is the next phase of my life." That's what I thought.
559 00:39:15 We talked about children, but he said he wasn't sure
560 00:39:17 and he didn't know when he'd be ready, so, you know...
561 00:39:20 He said, why don't I freeze my eggs?
562 00:39:21 So last year I... I did that.
563 00:39:27 Even though, like, I thought that I'd be ready, like, now.
564 00:39:30 I mean, most of my friends have had kids and...
565 00:39:33 - Right. - You know, they've got families and...
566 00:39:37 I don't know, it's funny when you get to this age as a woman.
567 00:39:40 You feel a bit like if you're not doing that, you're gonna be...
568 00:39:44 Well, you're gonna miss your chance or you're gonna be, like...
569 00:39:48 left behind.
570 00:39:50 - Sorry, it's just... - No, it's all right. Are you all right?
571 00:39:53 Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine.
572 00:39:54 I just haven't really talked about this.
573 00:39:59 Sorry.
574 00:40:02 It's ridiculous, really.
575 00:40:04 I don't know.
576 00:40:08 It's so crazy, you go through your 20s, and you're, like,
577 00:40:10 "I better not fucking get pregnant
578 00:40:11 'cause that would be a disaster."
579 00:40:13 And then when you hit 35, everyone's like,
580 00:40:15 "Are you thinking about it?"
581 00:40:15 Like, should you... "Are you gonna have kids?"
582 00:40:18 So it all kind of changes so quickly,
583 00:40:21 I thought that that was gonna happen,
584 00:40:23 that Jan and I were gonna get married.
585 00:40:25 So it just, like, threw me when, like two months ago, he...
586 00:40:30 Well, he just ended it. And...
587 00:40:33 Like, I was basically homeless 'cause it was his place. And...
588 00:40:40 Yeah, I'm just...
589 00:40:41 Guess I'm just still working through all of that.
590 00:41:02 - Good afternoon. - Hello.
591 00:41:03 Uh, I was given this gift
592 00:41:05 certificate for a supreme manicure and pedicure,
593 00:41:09 which is very nice, but I
594 00:41:10 don't like people touching my hands or feet,
595 00:41:12 so I would like to redeem it for cash, please.
596 00:41:15 We can't do that, madam,
597 00:41:16 but we can offer you another treatment instead.
598 00:41:21 Uh, could I redeem it...
599 00:41:23 Could you put it on my credit card?
600 00:41:25 Unfortunately, no, because it is a complimentary one,
601 00:41:27 so we would be able to just transfer it to a different treatment.
602 00:41:30 Let me show you what we have available.
603 00:41:33 For the money that you have, you can have any of these.
604 00:41:38 Do men get massages here, too?
605 00:41:40 We do. We do do massages for everyone, yes.
606 00:41:42 Do you have any men getting a massage at the moment?
607 00:41:45 We do at the moment, yes, madam.
608 00:41:47 What kind of massage are they getting?
609 00:41:49 They have all sorts of... All the different types we do.
610 00:41:51 At the moment, we have got a gentleman in.
611 00:41:53 He's having a sports massage.
612 00:41:55 Ah, well, I would like to have the sports massage.
613 00:41:57 - The sports massage? Okay. - Yes, please.
614 00:42:09 - They're the same price? - Same price, yes.
615 00:42:12 Let's say we went to the Bordeaux, just in case.
616 00:42:16 He went like this. Now he's going like this.
617 00:42:20 Why don't you go up to him and, and talk to him?
618 00:42:24 - Tyler, I would never do that. - He really seems...
619 00:42:28 Oh, my God. You can't be intimidated by Kelvin Kra...
620 00:42:32 - Kelvin-- - Oh, my God.
621 00:42:34 He seemed really nice to all
622 00:42:36 the people who were going up to him yesterday.
623 00:42:38 Really? Oh, I'm not surprised.
624 00:42:41 I think he's probably a lovely man.
625 00:42:44 Speaking of writing, how is yours going?
626 00:42:51 Thank you for asking me that.
627 00:42:59 Well, it's... it's not going, actually.
628 00:43:02 It's not going. I've been whining to Tyler about it.
629 00:43:08 I'm sorry for doing that, but I just...
630 00:43:11 I've hit a... I've hit a wall. Sometimes it happens.
631 00:43:15 Sometimes you hit... You're blocked.
632 00:43:19 Well, maybe you should take a breather.
633 00:43:22 You want to have tea tomorrow? We could go to the...
634 00:43:25 The Chart Room has a nice tea.
635 00:43:30 I would love to.
636 00:43:37 I didn't know whether you'd be up for it,
637 00:43:38 but have you been to a planetarium before?
638 00:43:41 No. Never. Or maybe when I was a kid.
639 00:43:43 Okay. Do you like stars, planets, the universe?
640 00:43:48 Yeah, I love the universe.
641 00:43:50 Okay. Hopefully, you should enjoy this.
642 00:43:54 The night sky, both beautiful and mysterious.
643 00:43:59 The subject of campfire stories,
644 00:44:02 ancient myths, and awe
645 00:44:04 for as long as there have been people.
646 00:44:07 Living beneath the open, dark sky,
647 00:44:09 the earliest humans were aware of nightly changes
648 00:44:13 as planets marched across the sky.
649 00:44:16 The moon waxed and waned,
650 00:44:18 and occasional meteors flared across the horizon.
651 00:44:22 Slowly, the simple early observations
652 00:44:26 revealed patterns that could be depended upon,
653 00:44:29 leading to the first calendars.
654 00:44:31 With the yearly cycle mapped out,
655 00:44:34 settlements in agriculture could develop,
656 00:44:37 and early civilizations thrived.
657 00:44:40 At the same time, the first maps of the sky
658 00:44:43 grouped the brightest stars into familiar constellations,
659 00:44:47 helping to develop navigational schemes...
660 00:45:25 - Good evening, madam. - Hello.
661 00:45:27 How can I help you? I think you seem to be lost.
662 00:45:29 No, I'm not lost. I'm just wandering.
663 00:45:32 You're not actually allowed in this area,
664 00:45:34 this is part of the crew area.
665 00:45:36 - Oh, okay. - And you're not insured.
666 00:45:37 So, if anything does happen...
667 00:45:39 Okay, where shall I go?
668 00:45:41 So where would you like to go, and I can escort you, please?
669 00:45:44 Okay, no problem.
670 00:46:37 Kelvin Kranz is on this ship?
671 00:46:41 Wait, is he... is that a really big deal?
672 00:46:44 Come on, you have to have heard of him.
673 00:46:45 No, I've never heard of him.
674 00:46:47 I mean, he's huge.
675 00:46:50 Like, the guy's a one-man publishing industry.
676 00:46:52 Every single one of his books
677 00:46:54 gets adapted into a film, in every language.
678 00:46:57 - His books have been translated into. - Okay, Kelvin.
679 00:46:59 He's massive. Like, bigger than all of them combined, like...
680 00:47:03 - Good for... good for Kelvin. - Yeah.
681 00:47:06 Good for that guy.
682 00:47:08 So I had a thought that I was...
683 00:47:12 Do you... Do you like dancing?
684 00:47:15 - Dancing? - Yeah.
685 00:47:16 - Like, just for fun? - No, there's a dance club on the boat.
686 00:47:21 I think it's like a disco-type spot,
687 00:47:23 and I figured maybe we could go, if you were interested.
688 00:47:28 Okay.
689 00:47:47 Thanks for doing that with me.
690 00:47:50 - It was fun. - It was fun. Yeah.
691 00:47:51 - Good night. - Good seeing you.
692 00:47:54 - See you. - All right, have a good one.
693 00:48:19 Gosh, I just realized.
694 00:48:22 Last night I had a dream.
695 00:48:25 I guess...
696 00:48:29 Maybe that's why I thought about not... not losing touch.
697 00:48:34 I had a dream that a friend of mine that is no longer alive
698 00:48:40 came to me.
699 00:48:43 I was aware that I was dreaming.
700 00:48:47 I was aware that...
701 00:48:52 this person was saying to me,
702 00:48:54 "This is how we'll communicate now."
703 00:48:56 Oh, no way.
704 00:49:00 Oh, my God.
705 00:49:02 Yeah.
706 00:49:05 Yeah. We never lose...
707 00:49:09 Never lose people.
708 00:49:13 Gosh.
709 00:49:20 - Hey, gorgeous. - Hey.
710 00:49:23 Do you understand this thing?
711 00:49:28 Do you know what you're gonna say?
712 00:49:30 I'm gonna say that actions have consequences,
713 00:49:34 and the consequences on my life of
714 00:49:38 her actions were unacceptable.
715 00:49:41 And the least she could do is apologize.
716 00:49:47 How do you think she's gonna take that?
717 00:49:51 She'll go...
718 00:49:53 Well, I... She'll, she'll deny it.
719 00:49:55 She'll say that... She'll deny it.
720 00:49:59 She'll say it was based on someone entirely different.
721 00:50:06 Doesn't that look like Professor Osbourne?
722 00:50:10 - I didn't see him. - It's a dead ringer for Prof. Osbourne.
723 00:50:14 - Remember him? - I... How...
724 00:50:18 If I'd seen him, I wouldn't have reacted like you are.
725 00:50:21 - Oh, my God. - What went on?
726 00:50:25 Nothing, nothing. I'm just...
727 00:50:27 I don't think so.
728 00:50:30 I had a threesome with him and his wife.
729 00:50:32 Well...
730 00:50:36 Well, well, well...
731 00:50:41 - Is that all? - Yeah. It was just a threesome.
732 00:50:44 It wasn't a foursome or a fivesome...
733 00:50:48 It wasn't an orgy.
734 00:51:33 That can't really be your first time...
735 00:51:37 Karen.
736 00:51:42 Heard a rumor you were on the ship.
737 00:51:44 Well, it's no rumor.
738 00:52:01 There's a big majority. I mean, we've got ex-service people.
739 00:52:05 We've got guys that have come up through the self-improvement.
740 00:52:10 You know, and those guys are generally very, very enthusiastic
741 00:52:13 'cause they've spent a lot of money to get to where they are.
742 00:52:17 So, you tend to look after
743 00:52:19 them a little bit more. You know, they'll...
744 00:52:21 They tend to want to understand the market.
745 00:52:25 With the ex-service guys, they're independent.
746 00:52:28 You can get them to go out and do a job.
747 00:52:30 They don't need any support
748 00:52:33 from within the company.
749 00:52:36 But, you know, my job is to sort of oversee what's going on
750 00:52:38 and count the money as it comes in.
751 00:52:42 - That's probably fun. - Yeah.
752 00:52:44 Would you mind if we moved into the room next door?
753 00:52:48 - Not at all, not at all. - Great. Let's do that.
754 00:52:50 - Love to follow you in. - I'm meeting someone.
755 00:52:52 I mean, I like the ambition, truly. But what is your plan?
756 00:52:58 My plan was to approach her at the right point.
757 00:53:03 You think that's a bad idea?
758 00:53:04 I think it's a terrible idea.
759 00:53:06 I don't think you can approach her at all on this boat.
760 00:53:09 I think you will scare her away.
761 00:53:12 I think that she might appreciate
762 00:53:15 your tenacity, but really...
763 00:53:20 She's gonna decide what she does,
764 00:53:23 and it's really out of your control.
765 00:53:24 - Right, it's what... - Absolutely. The shine on the tables.
766 00:53:29 - The decor is so... - Yeah. Alice, Alice.
767 00:53:35 Alice... Sorry, this is Alice Hughes. This is Vernon.
768 00:53:41 - Vernon, hello. - Vernon. Pleased to meet you.
769 00:53:43 - Pleasure. - He's in aviation.
770 00:53:46 - Well... - Would you like to join us?
771 00:53:48 Please.
772 00:53:51 Oh. No, it's all right.
773 00:53:52 I was just wandering around the ship and
774 00:53:57 passed the florist and thought,
775 00:54:00 "Why am I carrying this around like a fool?"
776 00:54:03 Let me, um, set it here.
777 00:54:06 Maybe I'll see you at dinner.
778 00:54:08 - You... Definitely. - Nice to meet you.
779 00:54:10 - Look forward to it. - Pleasure.
780 00:54:11 - Take care. - Bye.
781 00:54:16 - She seems nice. - Yeah, she's a very fine writer.
782 00:54:20 We went to university together.
783 00:54:23 I mean, it's madness, really. What, you want her to write a...
784 00:54:28 - A sequel to... Yeah. - A sequel to this?
785 00:54:31 I mean, everyone wants her to write a sequel to this.
786 00:54:33 Yeah, but she's never gonna do that. The book's her antichrist.
787 00:54:38 Don't you think?
788 00:54:48 Tyler, it's Roberta. I need your help.
789 00:54:55 Sorry, sometimes it takes a little while 'cause she could be...
790 00:54:58 There are two floors, so she could be upstairs.
791 00:55:00 - There... there's two floors? - Yeah.
792 00:55:04 It's a big one.
793 00:55:10 So, here's the pen and paper.
794 00:55:14 Oh, thank you.
795 00:55:16 Okay.
796 00:55:35 Someday, that book's gonna end.
797 00:55:49 I want to lead you today
798 00:55:52 on a... on a tour
799 00:55:55 through the landscape of my inspiration.
800 00:56:00 Sometimes the sources that a writer uses
801 00:56:04 are very close to home...
802 00:56:07 Family, friends, enemies.
803 00:56:14 And sometimes our source is a visitor
804 00:56:17 from another time, another universe.
805 00:56:21 Blodwen Pugh... was a Welsh writer
806 00:56:26 at the turn of the last century, the end of the 19th century.
807 00:56:30 She worked in obscurity, she was completely unrecognized
808 00:56:35 until well after her death.
809 00:56:37 And even now, she's quite unfamiliar,
810 00:56:40 even to many in the most rarefied literary circles. She's...
811 00:56:46 She's lost to us,
812 00:56:47 except for those who stand still enough to listen.
813 00:56:52 The writings, her one remain... her one novel,
814 00:56:55 which is called, I think
815 00:56:56 it's the masterpiece of that... of that era
816 00:57:02 is called "Realm of the Owl."
817 00:57:04 When I read this novel,
818 00:57:07 it's... it's impossible for me
819 00:57:11 not to think what a miracle it is that this universe emerged.
820 00:57:15 What a miracle it is that consciousness emerged.
821 00:57:21 You know?
822 00:57:26 And what a miracle it is that Blodwyn Pugh...
823 00:57:30 her thoughts and experiences...
824 00:57:34 that they could reach across time...
825 00:57:40 and reach into my consciousness.
826 00:57:46 That's a miracle.
827 00:57:49 Any questions?
828 00:57:53 Well, I have a question.
829 00:57:56 I mean, I don't know, it certainly
830 00:57:57 raise to Blodwyn Pugh's "Realm of the Owl,"
831 00:58:00 but I have a question about "A Function of the Body",
832 00:58:05 and specifically when you were inspired to write it,
833 00:58:09 did you always know you'll
834 00:58:10 gonna insert Georgia's diaries through the book?
835 00:58:16 I thought it was exquisitely crafted in that way.
836 00:58:22 And, I mean, everyone knows it's a very personal book.
837 00:58:25 It's known, so I don't feel badly saying that.
838 00:58:29 I mean, the way you did that with her...
839 00:58:31 With the loss of her sister,
840 00:58:34 the ne'er-do-well brother who's sort of a psychopath,
841 00:58:38 whom you need, you know, whom you need,
842 00:58:41 and who you're terrified of.
843 00:58:45 It... The way those diaries worked
844 00:58:47 just raised it to the highest level of... of literature for me.
845 00:58:52 I'm wondering how you... how you... how you did that.
846 00:58:57 - Did you know you were gonna do it or-- - Oh, thank you.
847 00:58:59 Thank you very much for that question.
848 00:59:11 - My dad, at least. - Oh, my.
849 00:59:14 Oh, my. Oh.
850 00:59:16 - Your friends have come. - My friends, I want you to meet Roberta.
851 00:59:20 - Hello. - What a great pleasure.
852 00:59:22 - And Susan. - What a good pleasure.
853 00:59:24 Kelvin Kranz. And my nephew Tyler.
854 00:59:27 - Hey, Tyler. Handsome young man. - Oh, nice to meet you.
855 00:59:30 Nice to meet you. So you all, you're traveling together.
856 00:59:34 Yes. You have a table full of fans here, you know?
857 00:59:37 Really? Well, that's fantastic, you know. Thank you.
858 00:59:43 So you must be all going to "The Toad and the Harrow"...
859 00:59:47 - Oh, well, yes... - Are you taking your friends over?
860 00:59:49 - Is that what's happening here? - Yes.
861 00:59:51 But first, we're gonna make a little pilgrimage
862 00:59:53 to Blodwyn Pugh's gravesite outside Cardiff. The convent.
863 00:59:59 - How wonderful. That's special. - Yeah, yeah, I think...
864 01:00:02 I think it'll be sort of special, but...
865 01:00:07 I wanted to ask you,
866 01:00:08 how long does it take you to write one of your...
867 01:00:11 - one of your books? - To write one?
868 01:00:15 Well, I spend about, maybe,
869 01:00:18 a month outlining it, and then, maybe, three months writing it,
870 01:00:25 so maybe four months...
871 01:00:27 At the outside, some of them maybe four and a half.
872 01:00:30 I try to... I've never done anything faster than three months.
873 01:00:34 That's longer than I thought.
874 01:00:37 Well...
875 01:00:39 That's interesting. It's a process, isn't it?
876 01:00:44 Well, I have a certain process. It's pretty specific, you know?
877 01:00:49 Well, anyway...
878 01:00:51 - Congratulations on getting the prize. - Oh, thank you so much.
879 01:00:54 It's a great honor. I think it's very special.
880 01:00:57 And what a pleasure to meet you all.
881 01:00:58 - Thank you. - You too.
882 01:00:59 - Take care. I'll see you again, yeah. - Thank you. Thank you.
883 01:01:02 And you. I'll see you again. Take care, bye-bye.
884 01:01:05 - Bye-bye. - Have a nice supper.
885 01:01:07 Thank you. You too.
886 01:01:12 What a nice man.
887 01:01:16 - What a gent, isn't he? - What a gentleman. Classy.
888 01:01:23 - Missed you today. - Yes, I know. I'm sorry.
889 01:01:26 - Why don't we go now? Have a drink? - I can't. I can't.
890 01:01:29 - Why? - 'Cause I'm going to the gala.
891 01:01:31 Oh, the gala.
892 01:01:34 Okay.
893 01:01:47 They're such iconic characters.
894 01:01:49 It is perfect for American
895 01:01:50 characters right now because the border of...
896 01:01:55 - You're here. Great. - You guys have met, haven't you?
897 01:01:57 Yeah.
898 01:01:58 How's it going? Sorry to interrupt.
899 01:02:00 No, you're not interrupting at all.
900 01:02:01 - We're just finishing. Good to see you. - Good to see you, man.
901 01:02:05 - Leave you to it. To be continued? - Yes.
902 01:02:08 - We'll see each other again soon. - Yeah.
903 01:02:11 - Sorry to run you out of town. - No, are you kidding?
904 01:02:15 Have a good one.
905 01:02:17 - How's it going? - Does he know who you are?
906 01:02:22 Oh, yeah. Yeah, he knows, he knows.
907 01:02:25 - And that doesn't bother you? - He's cool. Don't worry.
908 01:02:27 No, he... He's not gonna say anything. Don't worry.
909 01:02:31 So you know that him and Alice are now friends, they're talking.
910 01:02:35 Yeah. Yeah, no, I, um...
911 01:02:37 Actually, I told him everything and...
912 01:02:41 He found the whole thing quite amusing, actually.
913 01:02:45 And he gave me some good advice. He, uh...
914 01:02:48 He told me he thinks it's probably not gonna be a good idea
915 01:02:51 for me to approach Alice on this trip,
916 01:02:53 so I'm gonna back off, and...
917 01:02:57 - Yeah, I think he's right. - Great.
918 01:03:42 Did you get that note, by the way, that we left in your room?
919 01:03:46 What... A note is nothing.
920 01:03:48 I mean, she made a date with me, and, for tea.
921 01:03:53 And I went, and I interrupted my work.
922 01:03:56 It's not like I have hours and hours to wander the ship...
923 01:04:00 - Right. - And, you know, meet men.
924 01:04:02 This is not what I'm here for.
925 01:04:03 So you went, and then what happened?
926 01:04:05 I went to tea at two o'clock sharp, and there she was,
927 01:04:08 sitting there like a beanbag next to this dodo who was her date.
928 01:04:14 And, clearly, I wasn't, you know...
929 01:04:17 So she canceled it? It was canceled. You didn't meet with her.
930 01:04:20 Well, I don't know what we were supposed to do,
931 01:04:22 have a meeting with a...
932 01:04:26 - A dodo? - A person that... Yes.
933 01:04:29 I shouldn't say that.
934 01:04:30 He's probably a perfectly nice, unsuspecting man,
935 01:04:34 who didn't know that he was,
936 01:04:37 you know, in the talons of a carrion bird.
937 01:04:40 But I don't know what... I don't know what she's...
938 01:04:43 I don't know what she wants, because I just want to reach her.
939 01:04:47 Right.
940 01:04:48 Do you remember when you and Alice and I met in San Francisco
941 01:04:51 all those years ago?
942 01:04:53 That's when it all hit the fan.
943 01:04:58 I just was desperate to confide in someone,
944 01:05:03 and the two of you were the closest I've ever been with, so...
945 01:05:10 When we had dinner at the bar afterward,
946 01:05:13 you went upstairs and went to bed,
947 01:05:14 and it was just me and Alice, and I thought...
948 01:05:18 "Well, Alice has always been interested in other people's lives."
949 01:05:25 And then I made the fatal mistake of telling Alice everything.
950 01:05:33 What I realize is...
951 01:05:36 if you can't keep a secret yourself...
952 01:05:40 You can't ask anyone else to keep a secret.
953 01:05:45 It's true.
954 01:05:49 It's true.
955 01:06:08 What I'm gonna tell you is this.
956 01:06:14 I didn't go upstairs to sleep that night.
957 01:06:20 There was a really... A really cute waiter,
958 01:06:25 and...
959 01:06:30 This is a...
960 01:06:33 Double letter, triple word.
961 01:06:38 - Baby. - I hate you.
962 01:06:41 Bow down, bitch. Bow down.
963 01:06:44 They have this incredible night together. They get really drunk.
964 01:06:47 They drink loads of cocktails.
965 01:06:49 And, yeah, they just get on really well. They hook up.
966 01:06:53 And she doesn't know that this guy is actually just a bartender.
967 01:06:57 Like, he's not a rich guy or anything, like...
968 01:07:01 But they fall for each other, and it's this comedy of errors.
969 01:07:06 It's kind of a farce. But they end up falling for each other,
970 01:07:10 despite the fact that they both pretend
971 01:07:12 to be something that they're not.
972 01:07:13 Which is kind of the... yeah, the whole thing.
973 01:07:16 And do you know who plays the guy?
974 01:07:18 He's this... He's this comedian.
975 01:07:20 He's so funny. He's got this amazing face.
976 01:07:23 But it's just such a charming film.
977 01:07:25 - You have to see it. It's brilliant. - I want to see it.
978 01:07:28 I'm trying to think of, like...
979 01:07:29 I was actually in a comedy of errors
980 01:07:31 when I was in sixth grade, so when you brought that up...
981 01:07:39 Karen?
982 01:07:45 And Tyler?
983 01:07:53 Wait.
984 01:08:03 So you lied for her because...
985 01:08:08 you like her.
986 01:08:18 That's... that's as good a reason to lie as any I can think of.
987 01:08:29 So...
988 01:08:38 You're gonna see her tonight?
989 01:08:42 I don't know.
990 01:08:53 Who's that man I keep
991 01:08:54 seeing coming out of your room in the morning?
992 01:09:03 That man.
993 01:09:11 That man is...
994 01:09:14 probably the one thing that keeps me going.
995 01:09:21 Besides you.
996 01:09:24 Thanks.
997 01:09:25 They all take ballroom-dancing classes on this ship.
998 01:09:30 So, when they go to the gala,
999 01:09:32 they want to show off what they've learned,
1000 01:09:35 and they take it very...
1001 01:09:38 How are you? What a surprise.
1002 01:09:39 - Fine, fine. - Very breezy day to have...
1003 01:09:42 - Yeah, I love the fog. - an intimate little discussion.
1004 01:09:46 - You know, I've been thinking about you. - Really?
1005 01:09:50 Well, one of the women that I work with
1006 01:09:55 poisoned her husband, who was a batterer,
1007 01:09:59 and guess where she got the idea.
1008 01:10:02 From my first wife, of course.
1009 01:10:05 - Or maybe my second wife. - Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
1010 01:10:09 - No, no, but now I know a lot about you. - Yes.
1011 01:10:13 No. From an early Agatha Christie book.
1012 01:10:16 The Murder of Roger Ackroyd.
1013 01:10:18 Exactly. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd.
1014 01:10:21 Well, I kept that away from her.
1015 01:10:25 And that's why you still stand.
1016 01:10:26 So you've been thinking about poisoning,
1017 01:10:29 but why? I mean, just because...
1018 01:10:31 Oh, no, because I...
1019 01:10:33 This woman was incarcerated
1020 01:10:35 for trying to save her child and herself.
1021 01:10:38 And she didn't want to kill him, she just wanted to disable him
1022 01:10:41 so she could stop the violence.
1023 01:10:44 But he died.
1024 01:10:46 - I'm so sorry. That's awful. - Yes, it is awful.
1025 01:10:49 Do you deal with a lot of people who poison?
1026 01:10:51 I do. Oh, no, no. Not so many...
1027 01:10:54 I mean, they take whatever weapon...
1028 01:10:57 the domes-- Is in the person's hand.
1029 01:11:01 - And... - Can I join you? Do you mind if I sit down?
1030 01:11:04 - Of course, sit down. - No, join us.
1031 01:11:05 - I've been fascinated by poison lately. - Why?
1032 01:11:08 I'm thinking about writing
1033 01:11:09 something about someone who poisons people.
1034 01:11:12 I think it's... I think, philosophically, poisoning is a...
1035 01:11:18 a very intimate way to kill someone, and it's also very cruel.
1036 01:12:43 How is that?
1037 01:12:47 Very compelling.
1038 01:13:11 Sorry.
1039 01:13:12 - Sorry I'm late. Thank you. - Hello.
1040 01:13:18 - Everybody well? - Everybody's well.
1041 01:13:20 - How is work going? - Oh, well, not as...
1042 01:13:25 Not as well as I'd like.
1043 01:13:28 - Thank you. - You're welcome.
1044 01:13:32 Where's Tyler?
1045 01:13:35 Not coming.
1046 01:13:38 - No? - He has a date.
1047 01:13:42 - Who with? - Uh, someone he met on the ship.
1048 01:13:50 So...
1049 01:13:53 An older woman... Apparently.
1050 01:13:55 - An older woman? How much older? - Like, in her 80s?
1051 01:14:02 I would be surprised if that were the case.
1052 01:14:05 - But he probably means 26 or... - Oh, right.
1053 01:14:09 Thirty-six.
1054 01:14:11 Thirty-six would be a significant difference.
1055 01:14:15 - Or more. Who knows? - Really?
1056 01:14:18 I can't tell people's ages anymore.
1057 01:14:20 - No, I can't either. - I really can't.
1058 01:14:24 Alice, I don't know what your schedule is,
1059 01:14:26 but if you're free tomorrow before or after you swim,
1060 01:14:30 maybe we could have a tea or a drink.
1061 01:14:35 Well, I...
1062 01:14:39 I would love to do that,
1063 01:14:40 but I actually have a business meeting tomorrow.
1064 01:14:42 - Oh, sorry. - I don't know if I'll get my swim in.
1065 01:14:46 Who knows how long it'll go on or what will happen in it?
1066 01:14:51 But let's do it another time.
1067 01:14:52 - Promise? - Yeah, I'd love to. Great.
1068 01:14:58 - Quite a day. - Yeah.
1069 01:15:02 Shocking.
1070 01:15:05 Yeah.
1071 01:15:08 How you feeling?
1072 01:15:12 I'm feeling okay, actually. Kind of...
1073 01:15:16 - A bit relieved, to be honest. - Yeah.
1074 01:15:21 I should actually say to you, like...
1075 01:15:28 Yeah, I feel like I should apologize a bit.
1076 01:15:29 I feel bad for dragging you into this whole thing.
1077 01:15:32 I know you didn't want to lie to your aunt,
1078 01:15:34 and I slightly twisted your arm
1079 01:15:36 and I feel bad about that,
1080 01:15:38 and she clearly thinks so highly of you.
1081 01:15:42 She loves you. She thinks, you know, she thinks the world of you,
1082 01:15:45 and that was obvious when I spoke to her today. And I think...
1083 01:15:50 That was probably part of the reason why
1084 01:15:51 she was so forgiving towards me. So...
1085 01:15:55 Thank you for...
1086 01:15:57 Yeah, thanks for everything this, this week.
1087 01:15:59 - Oh, well... - You've been amazing.
1088 01:16:01 And I know I've also completely
1089 01:16:04 inappropriately unloaded a whole load of stuff onto you
1090 01:16:06 that I probably shouldn't have done,
1091 01:16:08 so I'm sorry about that, and...
1092 01:16:11 - Yeah, thank you. - Well, that's... That's sweet of you.
1093 01:16:14 I appreciate that acknowledgement, and I...
1094 01:16:21 It's been... It's so been my pleasure getting to know you, and...
1095 01:16:25 I was skeptical at first
1096 01:16:27 about what our relationship would look like.
1097 01:16:30 And I just felt like...
1098 01:16:33 I don't know. I just really wanted to get to know you,
1099 01:16:35 and I'm excited to hopefully continue to get to know you. And...
1100 01:16:42 I don't know, maybe, you know, what our... what...
1101 01:16:45 What our life can look like... moving forward.
1102 01:16:50 Like, I don't know. There's just...
1103 01:16:53 Maybe, um...
1104 01:16:56 It's just been probably one of the biggest gifts
1105 01:17:00 of the... the ship for me has been...
1106 01:17:06 Getting to know you, so...
1107 01:17:18 I was, uh, wondering if...
1108 01:17:27 I know this is kind of a crazy question, but...
1109 01:17:34 If maybe you wanted to...
1110 01:17:41 If...
1111 01:17:43 You're not gonna ask me out, are you?
1112 01:17:47 I'm joking, I'm joking. You just suddenly looked so awkward.
1113 01:17:49 Right. Right. I did. I was...
1114 01:17:51 I was wondering if maybe I could kiss you at some point soon.
1115 01:18:11 Fuck.
1116 01:18:17 Oh, shit.
1117 01:18:43 I think I...
1118 01:18:47 made a...
1119 01:18:49 a bit of a fool of myself.
1120 01:18:58 In what way?
1121 01:19:00 I just... I made some kind
1122 01:19:03 of an advance that didn't... That went un...
1123 01:19:07 Unreciprocated.
1124 01:19:15 Well, you can't...
1125 01:19:19 I hope you don't regret that.
1126 01:19:22 That's... that's... The trying is all. You know?
1127 01:19:28 If you don't try, if you don't risk...
1128 01:19:32 That's good to know.
1129 01:19:37 I mean, it's... you shouldn't be shy with this kind of thing,
1130 01:19:41 this... this attraction to someone.
1131 01:19:46 I think attraction is...
1132 01:19:48 It's the animating force in the universe, really.
1133 01:19:53 - That's a fact. - Well, like...
1134 01:19:58 Gravity or the pull of the poles,
1135 01:20:01 what pulls the monarch butterflies...
1136 01:20:07 to fly across the world.
1137 01:20:09 If you feel attracted to someone from your heart,
1138 01:20:13 you know... and you look at them
1139 01:20:16 and you feel and you can see their soul...
1140 01:20:20 That's...
1141 01:20:23 There is...
1142 01:20:26 There's no bad version of that,
1143 01:20:31 to want to be a part of that.
1144 01:20:34 And we should...
1145 01:20:37 Oh, God... treasure it. It's, it's...
1146 01:20:41 We're lucky to have that feeling.
1147 01:20:44 It's the greatest, it's the fullest...
1148 01:20:48 expression of what it is to be alive.
1149 01:20:51 So...
1150 01:20:54 Do you think you'll, you'll...
1151 01:20:57 How did it end? I mean, do you think you'll try again?
1152 01:21:01 - No. - No?
1153 01:21:03 No. No.
1154 01:21:08 You know, Suze, I am convinced
1155 01:21:12 she asked me on this trip to
1156 01:21:14 find out what happened to me after my divorce.
1157 01:21:18 She wants to write about it as a sequel to her fucking book.
1158 01:21:23 - I know it. - No.
1159 01:21:24 - I know it. - No. You've got to ask her.
1160 01:21:28 - No. - You have to be direct and ask her.
1161 01:21:31 You know, you heard those things she said during that talk.
1162 01:21:34 She uses things and people from her life.
1163 01:21:38 Well, I'm... I'm one of those people.
1164 01:21:41 I know you are. I know you are.
1165 01:21:43 But that's what writers do,
1166 01:21:44 and she never meant to hurt you, I promise you.
1167 01:21:47 - She never meant to hurt you. - She doesn't care, Susan.
1168 01:21:49 I think she does care. She cares about you.
1169 01:21:53 And why would she be writing about you again?
1170 01:21:55 She loves you. She's obsessed with you.
1171 01:21:58 She said she uses people from her life,
1172 01:22:01 and she is going to use me in this sequel.
1173 01:22:04 I don't believe that, dear. I really don't.
1174 01:22:07 I know it could seem that way if you twist it.
1175 01:22:11 If you twist it the other way,
1176 01:22:14 you know, she has the same memories we do
1177 01:22:16 of our days together.
1178 01:22:18 - They're sacred. - Yeah.
1179 01:22:20 Maybe not sacred. That's a little pompous.
1180 01:22:25 But you know what I mean,
1181 01:22:26 what we were talking about the other day.
1182 01:22:28 - She has those, too. - Yeah, but she's very different now.
1183 01:22:32 I know she is. She really has changed.
1184 01:22:35 She's changed so much.
1185 01:22:37 - Did she always talk like that? - No.
1186 01:22:39 - She didn't? - Did not.
1187 01:22:41 - I wonder why she talks like that. - I know.
1188 01:22:56 Just so you know, she's invited me to dinner with all of you.
1189 01:23:01 Oh, fuck.
1190 01:23:03 Karen's very hopeful about the publishing business, actually.
1191 01:23:07 I mean, against all reason, in my opinion,
1192 01:23:10 but if you could talk a little
1193 01:23:11 about what the agency is going to do now and in the future.
1194 01:23:16 - The old dead wood has been moved aside. - Yes. It's...
1195 01:23:19 It's been an interesting time.
1196 01:23:21 There have been quite a few changes at the agency,
1197 01:23:23 but I feel very optimistic
1198 01:23:25 about what we're going to be doing going forward.
1199 01:23:28 And I... We've got exciting plans for Alice.
1200 01:23:31 You know, Sonia did tell me
1201 01:23:32 that Alice was quite secretive about her work.
1202 01:23:36 - But I had no idea how secretive. - Well, I...
1203 01:23:40 I mean, I still haven't been able to deduce
1204 01:23:41 which of your literary characters that you are reviving.
1205 01:23:47 I do hope it's Rowena from You Always, You Never.
1206 01:23:50 Yes, yes. I would love to know
1207 01:23:52 what Rowena has been up to the last 35 years.
1208 01:23:56 Oh, dear, you know...
1209 01:23:58 Let me just say.
1210 01:24:00 - On this subject... - I think everyone cares.
1211 01:24:02 - No. - Rowena...
1212 01:24:04 I don't think anybody really cares.
1213 01:24:06 What became of Rowena after her disastrous marriage?
1214 01:24:09 Did she find love again? Did she get another career?
1215 01:24:13 Did she have a child?
1216 01:24:15 Rowena is a beloved literary character. What, what...
1217 01:24:19 - She is. She is. - Bert, Bert.
1218 01:24:22 What I want to say about this... And...
1219 01:24:26 I should clarify for you
1220 01:24:28 that whatever character I write about, is essentially about me.
1221 01:24:32 I mean, honestly, that's what authors do. Don't they?
1222 01:24:35 - Let me... Just... I don't think... - And another thing...
1223 01:24:39 I have ever been at a table
1224 01:24:42 with two more self-obsessed people.
1225 01:24:45 I don't think I ever have. This is a first. This is a first.
1226 01:24:52 We care for each other. Do we?
1227 01:24:55 - Do we care for each other? - Yes, of course.
1228 01:24:58 Yes. We do care for each other.
1229 01:25:01 This happened in your youth.
1230 01:25:03 This happened so long... In your youth.
1231 01:25:07 And today, this very day, we have lived most of our lives.
1232 01:25:14 Right? Are you gonna continue this ancient battle
1233 01:25:20 for the little time that remains to us?
1234 01:25:24 Do you even know what happened yesterday
1235 01:25:27 when we were out of communication with the world?
1236 01:25:30 Do you know what happened?
1237 01:25:32 You don't know what happened.
1238 01:25:33 - Do you know what happened? - No.
1239 01:25:34 - Does anyone know what happened? - I was working, so I wasn't...
1240 01:25:36 Well, of course you were working. You're always working.
1241 01:25:38 Yes.
1242 01:25:41 Elon Musk...
1243 01:25:45 sent many, many telecom satellites into the sky
1244 01:25:51 that look exactly like stars,
1245 01:25:55 exactly like stars.
1246 01:25:56 So now when humans gaze at the night sky,
1247 01:26:01 they won't know if they're gazing at a star or at a machine.
1248 01:26:08 And we at this table, at this little table,
1249 01:26:14 we are among the last, the very last,
1250 01:26:19 ever, ever,
1251 01:26:21 to have seen the actual, real,
1252 01:26:26 the honest, truthful night sky from the ocean.
1253 01:26:32 We saw stars...
1254 01:26:35 Just stars.
1255 01:27:13 - Are you packed? - I'm killing it.
1256 01:27:17 - Yeah? Killing it with the bags? - No.
1257 01:27:24 No, my book.
1258 01:27:32 I deleted it... from my computer.
1259 01:27:36 I deleted it all.
1260 01:27:40 And I threw the hard copy in the recycling.
1261 01:27:44 Why?
1262 01:27:46 It's...
1263 01:27:54 You know what? It's like
1264 01:27:55 polishing the vase when the house is falling down.
1265 01:28:05 You don't know.
1266 01:28:07 You don't know what I'm talking about.
1267 01:28:11 Anyway, I'm gonna...
1268 01:28:14 ask you to bring the bigger bags down for me, okay?
1269 01:30:40 I think the words matter. I do think they matter.
1270 01:30:45 Which ones you choose to
1271 01:30:46 describe something or to express something.
1272 01:30:50 It takes time to worry those into existence,
1273 01:30:55 the right one, the right one.
1274 01:30:57 There's only one that's right.
1275 01:31:01 I lament... You know, sometimes I wait,
1276 01:31:04 I wait for a word to come to me.
1277 01:31:05 I wait... I'll wait a week.
1278 01:31:09 No, but it amused me on this-- on the, on the ship
1279 01:31:12 how they were so eager that
1280 01:31:14 we not use the word "boat" to describe the ship
1281 01:31:18 because "boat" is sort of a diminutive...
1282 01:31:23 Or when they would say don't call it a "cruise".
1283 01:31:26 It's not a cruise. It's a crossing.
1284 01:31:33 And it is a crossing.
1285 01:31:35 It's... crossing time zones. You feel them.
1286 01:31:39 Yes, you do.
1287 01:31:41 Crossing into something unknown.
1288 01:31:44 I mean, it's... the cruise just seems meandering and...
1289 01:31:48 and silly.
1290 01:31:53 Alice...
1291 01:31:56 What I'm trying to reconcile is
1292 01:32:00 who is the real you?
1293 01:32:05 I just...
1294 01:32:09 I just don't know who you are anymore.
1295 01:32:13 I mean, does... Does anybody trust you anymore?
1296 01:32:17 And is that hard for you? I mean...
1297 01:32:20 Are you okay with that?
1298 01:32:21 You-- you seem to be okay with that.
1299 01:32:26 What do you mean? Because I write from my life and from...
1300 01:32:30 Oh, yeah, you write from your life,
1301 01:32:32 but you write from others, and...
1302 01:32:34 and those others experience it as a kind of betrayal.
1303 01:32:42 - You obviously... - Well, you know, you...
1304 01:32:46 Betrayal.
1305 01:32:48 I think that you perhaps
1306 01:32:50 betray the people that you love the most...
1307 01:32:54 because you know that you have the expectation of forgiveness.
1308 01:33:00 The people that you don't know very well,
1309 01:33:03 trying to seduce or impress,
1310 01:33:06 you treat them much more tenderly.
1311 01:33:07 That's my experience.
1312 01:33:10 But it's harder to forgive
1313 01:33:14 when you're wallowing
1314 01:33:18 in the middle of the debris of what your life used to be.
1315 01:33:22 It requires a greater expanse of spirit
1316 01:33:27 than I think most people have.
1317 01:33:31 Did you come on this trip to, to...
1318 01:33:38 berate me or to forgive me or to...
1319 01:33:45 extract something else?
1320 01:33:47 An apology or...
1321 01:33:50 to reconnect, maybe, our friendship?
1322 01:33:55 Why did you say yes?
1323 01:34:01 I wanted an apology.
1324 01:34:04 I wanted you to at least acknowledge
1325 01:34:09 the damage that you caused in my life.
1326 01:34:16 And...
1327 01:34:18 And I wanted to extract...
1328 01:34:25 a little compensation for it.
1329 01:34:31 Because if you were going to write a sequel,
1330 01:34:38 I would tell you everything about the last 35 years.
1331 01:34:44 I would give you all the sordid, squalid details.
1332 01:34:48 You would have...
1333 01:34:50 You would have a great book.
1334 01:34:55 And all I want...
1335 01:34:59 is 30% of the profits.
1336 01:35:02 Wait. What did you... What did you just say?
1337 01:35:06 Well, I think you heard me.
1338 01:35:10 And I think it's fair.
1339 01:35:15 Oh, my God.
1340 01:35:21 Oh, my God. I just...
1341 01:35:26 I realize what this is about. This is not about...
1342 01:35:31 This is not about love. This is about money.
1343 01:35:34 I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that.
1344 01:35:40 I'll give you a check.
1345 01:35:49 - We really lost each other, you know? - Yeah, we did.
1346 01:35:55 I loved you when you were Al.
1347 01:36:09 Well, I'll see you tomorrow.
1348 01:38:02 - Excuse me, Tyler... - Hey.
1349 01:38:05 I'm Dr. Mitchell.
1350 01:38:06 I'm Alice's physician. Come in, please.
1351 01:38:09 What's happening? Is she sleeping?
1352 01:38:13 I'm very sorry to inform you,
1353 01:38:15 but your aunt passed away in the middle of the night.
1354 01:38:21 Oh, no.
1355 01:38:24 - Alice had a serious condition called... - Fuck.
1356 01:38:28 deep vein thrombosis, and it's a blood clot
1357 01:38:32 which can travel up to the lungs, the heart, or the brain.
1358 01:38:36 Right now we're not sure which
1359 01:38:37 until we get a coroner's report.
1360 01:38:40 I'm very sorry.
1361 01:38:44 The coroner as well as the police are headed here.
1362 01:38:49 If you'd like some time to spend with her before they get here.
1363 01:38:53 Yeah. That would be great.
1364 01:38:54 Okay, I'll be right outside.
1365 01:38:56 - Thank you. - You're welcome.
1366 01:39:41 She had told me of her wanting to go to England
1367 01:39:44 to pick up the Footling Prize,
1368 01:39:48 see Blodwyn Pugh's gravesite,
1369 01:39:51 and also discuss her at the awards ceremony.
1370 01:39:54 She had at one point intended to fly.
1371 01:39:58 I certainly said that
1372 01:39:59 that would not be a good idea to travel by plane.
1373 01:40:02 It wouldn't be a good idea to travel at all.
1374 01:40:04 I strongly advised her to stay in New York,
1375 01:40:07 but as you all know,
1376 01:40:08 Alice is Alice.
1377 01:40:10 And she's very strong-willed, and, ultimately,
1378 01:40:13 she wanted to go.
1379 01:40:16 So, I then discussed with her
1380 01:40:18 perhaps I should come along with her
1381 01:40:20 to help her with the medication.
1382 01:40:22 The medication that we typically use in this situation
1383 01:40:24 is a blood thinner,
1384 01:40:26 but it needed to be injected.
1385 01:40:28 I would give the injections in the morning and in the evening.
1386 01:40:31 Could I just interrupt to ask if
1387 01:40:33 it could have been brought on by an emotional discussion,
1388 01:40:38 an emotional encounter?
1389 01:40:43 Most likely not. These things are,
1390 01:40:46 as I said, unpredictable in nature,
1391 01:40:49 and they can happen
1392 01:40:51 and it doesn't have anything to do with
1393 01:40:53 what's going on in someone's personal life.
1394 01:40:56 So, no.
1395 01:41:03 Shall I go rebook our flights now?
1396 01:41:08 - Oh, my goodness sake. - Well...
1397 01:41:11 - We've got to... - To when?
1398 01:41:14 - Tomorrow? - Maybe the next day.
1399 01:41:17 We've got to pack Alice's stuff
1400 01:41:19 and then pack all our stuff.
1401 01:41:24 I don't know. I was... I was sort of...
1402 01:41:28 It doesn't feel right to me to leave
1403 01:41:32 or to-- to book the flight right now.
1404 01:41:33 I feel like we got to...
1405 01:41:36 The trip isn't over. Like, the...
1406 01:41:38 We should visit Blodwyn's grave,
1407 01:41:41 like Alice wanted us to.
1408 01:41:45 She brought us here.
1409 01:41:47 She chose us.
1410 01:41:49 The three... Just us three.
1411 01:41:52 Personally, for me, I... My life...
1412 01:41:57 I can't... Everything that's good in my life
1413 01:42:00 feels related to Alice in so many ways.
1414 01:42:03 I've been so ashamed of the family that I come from,
1415 01:42:08 for so long,
1416 01:42:10 until I met Alice.
1417 01:42:13 And...
1418 01:42:16 I can't leave here without going to that gravesite. I'm just...
1419 01:42:21 It would feel like... It would make me sick.
1420 01:43:42 Does anybody want to say anything?
1421 01:43:45 Tyler, I don't even know the woman.
1422 01:43:48 I don't even like her writing.
1423 01:43:52 This is for Alice.
1424 01:44:07 I guess we should go, then.
1425 01:44:13 I need a drink.
1426 01:44:32 Isn't there an editor or a fellow writer,
1427 01:44:35 someone who could do something with it?
1428 01:44:38 Honestly, it's...
1429 01:44:40 I don't know what it is or what could be done with it.
1430 01:44:43 I guess you could call it experimental.
1431 01:44:46 We could post it online and charge people to read it.
1432 01:44:50 I personally wouldn't feel comfortable doing that.
1433 01:44:54 Look, whatever this is,
1434 01:44:56 it's clearly in a very embryonic stage,
1435 01:44:59 and it's not meant to be published.
1436 01:45:01 She was trying something out,
1437 01:45:02 and she didn't get to see it through.
1438 01:45:04 Yeah, but people might find that interesting.
1439 01:45:07 Her readers, literary scholars.
1440 01:45:11 Look, maybe someone else can help you.
1441 01:45:14 You said she gave it to you.
1442 01:45:15 You can take it wherever you want.
1443 01:45:18 You don't need me, not for that.
1444 01:45:20 Roberta, we need you on the floor.
1445 01:45:23 Yeah, I'm coming, Clovis.
1446 01:45:25 I'll be right there. I'm coming.
1447 01:45:29 - Yeah, Mom... - Should I send it back to you?
1448 01:45:32 I'm coming. What?
1449 01:45:36 No, no, no. Keep it.
1450 01:45:38 Give it to Tyler.
1451 01:45:41 How about... how about this? How about a sequel?
1452 01:45:46 A sequel with real people,
1453 01:45:48 real people's names, places,
1454 01:45:51 about what happened in my life
1455 01:45:53 after the publication of You Always, You Never?
1456 01:45:57 How about that?
1457 01:46:00 Roberta, if you were ever to write that book,
1458 01:46:04 I'd love to see it.
1459 01:46:06 I just don't understand the whole agent thing,
1460 01:46:10 but I spoke to Karen
1461 01:46:13 and she said that, because she represents you now,
1462 01:46:16 she couldn't represent me.
1463 01:46:18 - No, no, no, no. - Yeah.
1464 01:46:21 - Okay, but she can find you an a-- - It's a conflict.
1465 01:46:23 Okay, but she can find you an agent
1466 01:46:25 and a lawyer, but...
1467 01:46:28 Look, you should use my old agent.
1468 01:46:29 That's perfect. He'd love to represent you.
1469 01:46:31 - Okay. - He should be so lucky.
1470 01:46:34 Because the deal's 50-50.
1471 01:46:35 We're just gonna split it 50-50, right?
1472 01:46:37 - That doesn't make any sense at all. - Why?
1473 01:46:39 You are the writer. It's not 50-50.
1474 01:46:42 Well, yes, it is.
1475 01:46:43 I mean, unless you want more. I mean...
1476 01:46:46 - Don't be absurd. - You don't need an agent.
1477 01:46:50 You're better than your agent.
1478 01:46:52 Look, I am so happy to be doing this.
1479 01:46:54 This is my idea.
1480 01:46:56 We're splitting it 50-50. That's done.
1481 01:46:59 Forget it. Let's just move on and try to start.
1482 01:47:02 - Do you have some-- - This might be interesting.
1483 01:47:05 But it turns out the main ingredient in antifreeze is ethylene glycol.
1484 01:47:12 - In antifreeze? - In antifreeze. Wait, now...
1485 01:47:15 Which is not only incredibly toxic but also very sweet.
1486 01:47:21 So that, people, when they want to poison someone,
1487 01:47:24 have used it a lot.
1488 01:47:26 And now 17 states require the manufacturer
1489 01:47:31 to add something to make it taste very bitter.
1490 01:47:36 Which leaves 33 states where they don't.
1491 01:47:39 - Exactly. - If my math...
1492 01:47:40 So I was thinking maybe as part of her plan,
1493 01:47:43 she either lives in a state that doesn't have the law...
1494 01:47:47 or moves to one.
1495 01:47:48 And then moves to one.
1496 01:47:50 And then moves to one.
1497 01:49:23 When I read this novel,
1498 01:49:25 it's... it's impossible for me not to think
1499 01:49:30 what a miracle it is that this universe emerged,
1500 01:49:33 what a miracle it is that consciousness emerged...
1501 01:49:40 And what a miracle it is that Blodwyn Pugh,
1502 01:49:44 her thoughts and experiences,
1503 01:49:47 that they could reach across time
1504 01:49:52 and reach into my consciousness.
1505 01:49:57 That's a miracle.
